My views are far from set in stone

• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-10-23 19:51

  Quote from Drizzit;967850:

  You believe in no killing, but you're lax on abortion? Hypocrite...
  
  No, really though, that's one of the few things I am firm on. Either killing is wrong or it isn't, and abortion shouldn't be an exception. Feel free to disagree though.
  Overall though, I'm a philosophy major so I question everything.

  
  
  I believe in not killing PERSONALLY. How other people kill is their own business. I'm not going to personally kill or be responsible for the killing of a child. You can't stop the decisions of others to kill.
  
  Killing and Abortion are not the same thing at all.
  
  Basically when I said I'm against killing, I meant I'm against killing humans by my own hand or being directly responsible for it in some way.
  
  And before you jump down my throat Drizz, I would also never let myself get into a situation where I'd have a child and be faced with an abortion. If I'm going to have sex with someone, I better be.
  
  1) Married and committed to a life long relationship
  2) Both me and my Partner must want the baby
  3) It would have to be me being married to a women which isn't likely so I'd be more likely to adopt and skip all the baby stuff.
  
  

  Quote from Juno;967705:

  Also, 'set in stone'

  
  
  Had it right in my OP, screwed it up in the title. Fixed now. I miss a lot of typos' when I post and end up doing lots of corrections later.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-23 20:09

  Quote from Drizzit;967863:

  I always thought cutting the balls off of rapists would be a punishment fitting the crime.
  In a situation where the mother would die, utilitarian morality could come into play, and you would save the life that you had a better chance of saving (usually the mother).
  
  So is it ok to kill a homeless guy because his life sucks and he's an alcoholic? It's a slippery slope.

  
  
  Well society would never accept it, but life of a person with no happiness seems to worth less than person with happiness, which is one of the reason why revolution happens, people are willing to lay down their life for something because their current life is crap.
• RicochetOrange wrote on 2012-10-23 20:10

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;967869:

  This kind of punishment won't get us anywhere, similar to cutting the hands off of thieves or even worse, killing killers. Laws are already fueled too much by emotion and not enough by actually solving problems and thus making the quality of life higher for everyone. We can be as mad as we want at people who do bad things, but we can't fix problems under the same mindset. Locking people in a cage won't either, but at least it's better than inflicting violence upon them.

  
  
  Well, I think of it in the way of stopping the crimes entirely.
  By that, I mean -as dark and evil as it sounds- have them be made an example of.
  Unless people are so forgone that they don't even have a second thought about being able to murder/rape/molest at the cost of death. I am sure it would reduce the rates of those crimes if people realized that they would be killed as soon as they got caught, rather than just sitting around in prison, doing nothing, costing taxpayer money.
  Its not about emotion, its about what way is best to protect and help the innocent.
  
  But of course, would that work in reality with the corrupt law system? No. Everything would get so skewed and wrong that it wouldn't work at all; innocent people would be killed, and in many cases, criminals would go free.
  
  And yeah, I realize someone is going to get pissed off at my opinion for ___ reason. >_>
  
  
  Also, might I ask, what would you do with these people? What would you do with some murderer, whom hasn't responded to any form of rehab deal?
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-23 20:12

  Quote from Kingofrunes;967872:

  You can't stop the decisions of others to kill.
  
  Killing and Abortion are not the same thing at all.
  

  
  
  These are the one parts of your post I disagree with. We stop others from killing all the time. Murder is illegal, after all, and it should be. And, if abortion is not killing, then what is it?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-10-23 21:05

  Quote from Drizzit;967883:

  These are the one parts of your post I disagree with. We stop others from killing all the time. Murder is illegal, after all, and it should be. And, if abortion is not killing, then what is it?

  
  
  Do you want the scientific view or the religious view. A human is not a viable human being until it can survive outside of the Mother's womb. Are you one of those religous fanatics that think that stem cell research should be banned because it's killing humans too?
  
  I don't view abortion as wrong or murder if it's an unborn child. At my harshest standpoint of Abortion, I'd say no after the 3rd trimester unless the mother's life was at risk. Most people have plenty of time to choose between the 1st trimester and the 3rd trimester where they know they are pregnant to go seek an abortion which should clear up any cases of rape if the woman truly doesn't want the baby.
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-10-23 21:17
  My views have mostly stayed the same since I was young, but I do tend to notice what others have to say, and I do think about their views, even if they don't effect my own.
  
  I am Christian, but I don't see the world in "black and white" to an extremist point (as in, JOIN ME OR DIE zealot-style...)...I know that when you take everything down to the root, it is black and white. Bad things are bad, and even if there's good reason, they're still bad things. However, if you were completely zealous about that, then the world would be boring and pointless. There is good and bad, and the line between them can often be fugly, and I think that that's for the best. As far as I'm concerned about the world: Shit. Happens. You can set laws, and you can lecture people, but shit happens. Even if you don't want it to, it will happen. Sometimes you have to pick between bad and worse. I know this. God knows this.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-23 21:18

  Quote from Drizzit;967850:

  You believe in no killing, but you're lax on abortion? Hypocrite...
  
  No, really though, that's one of the few things I am firm on. Either killing is wrong or it isn't, and abortion shouldn't be an exception. Feel free to disagree though.
  Overall though, I'm a philosophy major so I question everything.

  
  
  Either killing is wrong or it isn't..
  
  well I'll just drop here that animals are alive and to get meat, human usually have to kill them
  The same is pretty valid for plants too as they are alive and eating them pretty much result in the end of their life..
  By your logic, Eating is Murder.. Living is Murder.
  
  Since you complain about King been an hypocrite, I'll guess you aren't one? If you aren't one then you can only be of the "Killing if fine" group. Since you are Alive. And Alive is a reflection of Murder(by your logic).
• Elleanior wrote on 2012-10-23 21:22

  Quote from Chiyuri;967908:

  Either killing is wrong or it isn't..
  
  well I'll just drop here that animals are alive and to get meat, human usually have to kill them
  The same is pretty valid for plants too as they are alive and eating them pretty much result in the end of their life..
  By your logic, Eating is Murder.. Living is Murder.
  
  Since you complain about King been an hypocrite, I'll guess you aren't one? If you aren't one then you can only be of the "Killing if fine" group. Since you are Alive. And Alive is a reflection of Murder(by your logic).

  
  Killing is wrong, and people (and animals) are forced to do it to survive.
  
  
  If anybody tries to deny how screwed up the world is, I'm going to laugh.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-23 21:29

  Quote from Elleanior;967912:

  Killing is wrong, and people (and animals) are forced to do it to survive.
  
  
  If anybody tries to deny how screwed up the world is, I'm going to laugh.

  
  
  
  That "is screwed" is mostlly the result of the opinion that "Killing is bad" and that "ending any life is killing"
  Change that opinion that maybe the world will not end up been seen as "screwed" to you.
• RicochetOrange wrote on 2012-10-23 21:43

  Quote from Chiyuri;967908:

  Either killing is wrong or it isn't..
  
  well I'll just drop here that animals are alive and to get meat, human usually have to kill them
  The same is pretty valid for plants too as they are alive and eating them pretty much result in the end of their life..
  By your logic, Eating is Murder.. Living is Murder.
  
  Since you complain about King been an hypocrite, I'll guess you aren't one? If you aren't one then you can only be of the "Killing if fine" group. Since you are Alive. And Alive is a reflection of Murder(by your logic).

  
  
  Except that animals aren't humans- in which case using them for food, leather, etc. is fine.
  Also you don't have to kill plants to live off of them. Fruit trees, for example.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-23 22:05

  Quote from RicochetOrange;967925:

  Except that animals aren't humans- in which case using them for food, leather, etc. is fine.
  Also you don't have to kill plants to live off of them. Fruit trees, for example.

  
  
  Fruits are alive.
  
  anyway, I don't define a Fetus as an human being either. So it's fine right -.- It's not murder.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-23 22:07
  If you all would just use my view on life this would all be great except society won't ever accept it because it's cruel.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-23 22:14

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;967937:

  If you all would just use my view on life this would all be great except society won't ever accept it because it's cruel.

  
  
  I think it would be better if they all had the same Fixed and unbreakeble moral code I currently have. The innability to ever go against it could make a very good world.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-10-23 22:20
  The whole animals not being humans is what I was pointing out with my embryo argument. It all depends on at what point do you consider something as human. What makes a human an actual human?
  
  That in itself can also be a very deep psychological discussion especially if you get into cyborg theory and immunizations and all this other stuff. Sorry starting to delve into my minor in college (Science and Technology Liberal Arts)
• RicochetOrange wrote on 2012-10-23 22:53

  Quote from Chiyuri;967935:

  Fruits are alive.
  
  anyway, I don't define a Fetus as an human being either. So it's fine right -.- It's not murder.

  
  
  

  Quote from Kingofrunes;967941:

  The whole animals not being humans is what I was pointing out with my embryo argument. It all depends on at what point do you consider something as human. What makes a human an actual human?

  
  
  I consider something human, when it came from human male sperm, and is in/from the body of a female human.
  
  Also fruits aren't human.