Also fruits aren't human.
Atleast we agree on that much.
Also fruits aren't human.
It always amuses me when people put such emphasis on human life, yet they apparently value something the size of a lentil more than an actual human being. Even those who are okay with abortion when the womans life is in danger, you still devalue the woman herself by implying that an unborn child is worth more than a fully developed human being.
Another thing I find funny is how much people care about the child before it's even born, yet as soon as it's in the world people seem to stop caring. Most of those people don't care if that child later ends up abused, gets into drugs or even ends up in jail because it was forced into the shitty foster care system. Apparently subjecting a child to the potential horrors in life (which are very likely to happen if they're given up for adoption, which is even more likely to happen if the mother was considering abortion in the first place) is more humane than simply taking care of the child before it's even born.
Its the mother, and family's choice if she wants to go through with it.
Not "abortion is wrong and the mom should die!" or "The mom should always live despite her wishes for her child to live!"
People are gonna hate me for saying this, but the mother should raise her own kid, even if she didn't want it, even if she doesn't have the proper money to pay for the kid and has to work multiple jobs, she went and made the choice to have sex with someone- she should have to deal with the consequences of her own dumb actions.
My reasoning is still based on the same subject as murder/rape/molestation. If people realized there were serious consequences to their actions, they wouldn't be out having sex and getting pregnant without being ready to raise a child. It deals with everyone's complaints. Pro-Life people are generally happy, Abortion Pro (or whatever its called) is fine because there would be no real need for it.
On the case of rape, before anyone brings it up to 'counter' me- I would still say she has to raise the child. Even if its not her own fault. Like if some crazy driver came out of nowhere and broke your leg, leaving you in a wheelchair for the next so many years in your life or something, you still gotta deal with it, even if its someone else's fault. Pretty much like a deck of cards, everyone has to play with the hand we've been dealt.
Either killing is wrong or it isn't..
well I'll just drop here that animals are alive and to get meat, human usually have to kill them
The same is pretty valid for plants too as they are alive and eating them pretty much result in the end of their life..
By your logic, Eating is Murder.. Living is Murder.
Since you complain about King been an hypocrite, I'll guess you aren't one? If you aren't one then you can only be of the "Killing if fine" group. Since you are Alive. And Alive is a reflection of Murder(by your logic).
Its the mother, and family's choice if she wants to go through with it.
Not "abortion is wrong and the mom should die!" or "The mom should always live despite her wishes for her child to live!"
People are gonna hate me for saying this, but the mother should raise her own kid, even if she didn't want it, even if she doesn't have the proper money to pay for the kid and has to work multiple jobs, she went and made the choice to have sex with someone- she should have to deal with the consequences of her own dumb actions.
My reasoning is still based on the same subject as murder/rape/molestation. If people realized there were serious consequences to their actions, they wouldn't be out having sex and getting pregnant without being ready to raise a child. It deals with everyone's complaints. Pro-Life people are generally happy, Abortion Pro (or whatever its called) is fine because there would be no real need for it.
On the case of rape, before anyone brings it up to 'counter' me- I would still say she has to raise the child. Even if its not her own fault. Like if some crazy driver came out of nowhere and broke your leg, leaving you in a wheelchair for the next so many years in your life or something, you still gotta deal with it, even if its someone else's fault. Pretty much like a deck of cards, everyone has to play with the hand we've been dealt.
No, killing can be justified, in my personal opinion. For example, if we went back and knew for a fact that Mao was going to kill millions upon millions of people, would it be justified to kill him? Perhaps not. But how about Stalin and Hitler?
People are gonna hate me for saying this, but the mother should raise her own kid, even if she didn't want it, even if she doesn't have the proper money to pay for the kid and has to work multiple jobs, she went and made the choice to have sex with someone- she should have to deal with the consequences of her own dumb actions.
On the case of rape, before anyone brings it up to 'counter' me- I would still say she has to raise the child. Even if its not her own fault. Like if some crazy driver came out of nowhere and broke your leg, leaving you in a wheelchair for the next so many years in your life or something, you still gotta deal with it, even if its someone else's fault. Pretty much like a deck of cards, everyone has to play with the hand we've been dealt.
On one hand you say she should raise the kid because it's her own fault if she had sex and got pregnant which while I don't agree it kinda make sense I guess.
But then you say she should still have the child if she was raped. Im pretty sure NO ONE make the choice of being raped. Isn't hard enough for the woman who was raped? She's probably suffering from psychological trauma and would probably recognise the rapist in her child. Do you really think it's okay to let a woman suffer that much for the sake of something unborn? Now Im sure prolife will tell me "She can give it to adoption". She still has to raise it in herself for 9 month, suffering the whole childbirth, etc.
The difference between a driver breaking your leg and a woman accidentally getting pregnant due to being raped is that she can actually y'know do something about it. She can choose to get an abortion. But well prolife people are often against it because screw the actual living woman suffering through those decision we have to save the undeveloped thing.
Seriously it's her damn body she can do whatever she wants with it as long as it's stay within reasonable boundary. Like Cynic said it shouldnt be used as a contraception method.
You have a point, but, its out of respect for human- or what is developing into- a human life. Rather than taking the unborn's chance to live as a human at all. It didn't do anything wrong, so why should it be punished for its father's actions? That's worse than some temporary emotional stress (and yes, I realize rape can have permanent emotional scars, but, people can get over the initial stress from being raped)
Loop brought out a good point, financial support for women in that situation only makes sense, removing the whole financial excuse.
But in any case, we have little say in anyone else's life, so this entire topic is little more than speculation, or discussion on opinions, which have little to do with fact.
I love how anyone who is against abortion is automatically opposing it on religious grounds. Certainly, it can't be that they don't buy into the whole 'it's weak and frail so killing it is ok' ideology.
Loop, that was my point.
I oppose abortion on completely secular grounds. I'd never try to make public policy conform to religion.
I love how anyone who is against abortion is automatically opposing it on religious grounds. Certainly, it can't be that they don't buy into the whole 'it's weak and frail so killing it is ok' ideology.I make a point of opposing abortion purely on secular grounds, that way nobody can dismiss me as "just another religious nut".
Now, regarding the entire "death from pregnancy" thing, couldn't you get a C-section to make up for that? I mean, just put it through adoption and then hey, you've spent nine months, hopefully eating healthier. Though there are flaws. Anyone wanna point 'em out?