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RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-24 18:08
Quote from Reptile;968395:
All of my rep.
Sorry ladies, if you were raped, you should have went to the ER.
(really, I'm pretty indifferent if you were actually raped, but there are way too many bitches who lie about that shit)
If not, there's birth control AND condoms.
"I couldn't afford that"
Oh, but now you can afford an abortion
Your uterus is yours until there's someone else in it.
I don't see how any of what you just said has to do with Drizzit's quote. Birth control can be unhealthy, I don't see how you're going to be using a condom when you're getting raped, and your grammar's atrocious. When trolling, please be less of a dumbass.
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Reptile wrote on 2012-10-24 18:27
Quote from RealityBreak;968403:
I don't see how any of what you just said has to do with Drizzit's quote. Birth control can be unhealthy, I don't see how you're going to be using a condom when you're getting raped, and your grammar's atrocious. When trolling, please be less of a dumbass.
"If not" = "If not being raped"
and if you don't want to use birth control, then use a condom, they don't break as easily as people say they do.
Also, having an unpopular opinion =/= trolling.
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Continuum wrote on 2012-10-24 18:56
Quote from Reptile;968395:
All of my rep.
Sorry ladies, if you were raped, you should have went to the ER.
(really, I'm pretty indifferent if you were actually raped, but there are way too many bitches who lie about that shit)
If not, there's birth control AND condoms.
"I couldn't afford that"
Oh, but now you can afford an abortion
Your uterus is yours until there's someone else in it.
Because the unborn fetus tells the Mom it has claimed her uterus as it's own.
You win the award of dumbest thing I've read all day.
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Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-24 19:03
Quote from Chiyuri;968365:
You want me to prove something to someone who hasn't proven me his existance yet?
Maybe after you prove me that you exist, I'll give it a try.
Or so I should end it like this but, the only way you could prove it would be to meet me in person so I can experience your existance, which is very unlikely to happen.
In a similar sense, the soul I speak off isn't something you can prove to other people, it is something people have to find the proof of themselves. To experience the existance of one themselves. I already cleared that off for myself and that's more than enough. Trying to prove that what I define as soul exist to other people is in most case like trying to prove colors exist to someone who's birth blind and will quite probably never get access to enough technology to gain sight.... Impossible request.
In other words, you can't support your "infants don't have souls" claim at all. Thus, your argument is invalid. GG
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Reptile wrote on 2012-10-24 19:08
Quote from Continuum;968440:
Because the unborn fetus tells the Mom it has claimed her uterus as it's own.
You win the award of dumbest thing I've read all day.
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On another note, you do realize that infants can't talk until they're around 2, right?
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TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-24 19:46
Quote from Continuum;968440:
Because the unborn fetus tells the Mom it has claimed her uterus as it's own.
You win the award of dumbest thing I've read all day.
fetus can't talk silly :P
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-10-24 19:53
I don't get why people are still on this subject. It's her body, leave it the fuck alone.
As for rape, why would you want her to carry something she doesn't want? It's an extra burden if you didn't realize, and unless you're willing to make the government pay out several more hundreds of thousands of dollars to support rape victims with children (Children aren't cheap, there's food, housing, clothes, and more expenses to account for) I kindly suggest that you leave it to the woman to decide if she wants the kid or not. If you want the woman to have a kid that bad, get her a real lover. By the way, adoption is always an option. But this whole kids thing is besides the point. The fetus is attached to the mother's body, but it does not have a mind or heart of its own yet, it is all still the mother. And, back to being her body, she can do whatever she wants with it. I don't see anyone arguing against people that harm themselves with drugs.
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Reptile wrote on 2012-10-24 19:59
I'd also like to point out that if you were not raped, I THINK (Meaning in my personal opinion that you don't have to fucking agree with) that you should set up an adoption for the second the baby is born if you do not want to raise a child. My aunt's friend was on a waiting list for a baby for 5 years until she got one. Shit, some people will even pay you thousands of dollars for your baby. You could have an adoptive family rootin' and ready as soon as the thing pops out.
If you want to have sex, you should be willing to face whatever comes with it, 9 months is not a long time, and yes it can be uncomfortable, but that's the price you're agreeing to pay when you decide to stick that penis in your vagina. No one made that choice for you (please read the first sentence again).
I thought this before I was religious and I will go to my grave thinking this way.
That is a person inside of you (please read the first sentence again), they should be able to watch cartoons, and go to school, get a job, fall in love, and have children of their own. That's not your decision, and because they can't speak, people like myself have to.
Feel free to disagree, I don't really care.
I'm free to have my opinion and you can have yours, the fact of the matter is abortion will always been around whether I like it or not, but I will fight it until my dying breath.
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Kanam wrote on 2012-10-24 20:08
Quote from Reptile;968474:
I'd also like to point out that if you were not raped, I THINK (Meaning in my personal opinion that you don't have to fucking agree with) that you should set up an adoption for the second the baby is born if you do not want to raise a child. My aunt's friend was on a waiting list for a baby for 5 years until she got one. Shit, some people will even pay you thousands of dollars for your baby. You could have an adoptive family rootin' and ready as soon as the thing pops out.
If you want to have sex, you should be willing to face whatever comes with it, 9 months is not a long time, and yes it can be uncomfortable, but that's the price you're agreeing to pay when you decide to stick that penis in your vagina. No one made that choice for you (please read the first sentence again).
I thought this before I was religious and I will go to my grave thinking this way.
That is a person inside of you (please read the first sentence again), they should be able to watch cartoons, and go to school, get a job, fall in love, and have children of their own. That's not your decision, and because they can't speak, people like myself have to.
Feel free to disagree, I don't really care.
I'm free to have my opinion and you can have yours, the fact of the matter is abortion will always been around whether I like it or not, but I will fight it until my dying breath.
I totally agree with you. If the girl made the choice to not use contraception while having sex it's her own fault and she should assume the childbirth. Abortion shouldn't be used as a contraception.
Well I guess that's how I wish the world would run. I'm still believing in the "your body your choice" but it makes me cringe when abortion is used as a contraception method.
But then again even if abortion is made illegal you can be sure some people would practice black market abortion and/or homemade one... I mean it already happen it'd just get worse in my opinion.
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Kingofrunes wrote on 2012-10-24 20:15
Isn't getting an abortion painful to begin with? I mean why would someone use abortion as a contraception method when it's a lot more trouble and pain for you than if you used proper contraception in the first place.
I keep seeing you guys making abortion seem like a contraception device and I really didn't think that happened that often. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the motives for women behind getting an abortion. As much as I am for personal responsibility I'm also debating on wither I want to anger a woman by making the choice that she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion.
My mind on abortion can change of course. If enough people can sway me that we should tell a women no, you can't kill that baby inside you, you're fucked bitch and should have been more responsible. Then I may change my mind but at this point I really don't know.
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MareneCorp wrote on 2012-10-24 20:20
Keeping an open mind (But not open eyes... I haven't read all 9 pages or so of text) you could probably limit abortions (To appeal to some of those that are pro-life) to allowing only rape victims and the like (To appeal some of those that are pro-abortion). If you decided to have sex yourself then it's your fault, but I still don't see how rape victims should be forced to carry someone else's kid.
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Kanam wrote on 2012-10-24 20:21
Quote from Kingofrunes;968485:
Isn't getting an abortion painful to begin with? I mean why would someone use abortion as a contraception method when it's a lot more trouble and pain for you than if you used proper contraception in the first place.
I keep seeing you guys making abortion seem like a contraception device and I really didn't think that happened that often. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the motives for women behind getting an abortion. As much as I am for personal responsibility I'm also debating on wither I want to anger a woman by making the choice that she shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion.
My mind on abortion can change of course. If enough people can sway me that we should tell a women no, you can't kill that baby inside you, you're fucked bitch and should have been more responsible. Then I may change my mind but at this point I really don't know.
Well I'm pretty sure abortion as a contraception isn't as practiced as we make it seems but I'm sure it happens. But honestly the only time I'm against abortion is when everything happened under your control. Sex without contraception is pretty much the only example I can think of. And even if I'm against it personally (because it irks me) I'm not gonna go and prevent it from happening since it's not my body. I just know that if I was a girl and I let it happen I'd assume the consequence of my acts.
If it's not in your control (rape, risk to the mother, etc) then I have a "your body your choice" opinion about it and no one should have any right to tell you to or not to do it.
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Reptile wrote on 2012-10-24 20:32
Quote from Kanam;968490:
Well I'm pretty sure abortion as a contraception isn't as practiced as we make it seems but I'm sure it happens. But honestly the only time I'm against abortion is when everything happened under your control. Sex without contraception is pretty much the only example I can think of. And even if I'm against it personally (because it irks me) I'm not gonna go and prevent it from happening since it's not my body. I just know that if I was a girl and I let it happen I'd assume the consequence of my acts.
If it's not in your control (rape, risk to the mother, etc) then I have a "your body your choice" opinion about it and no one should have any right to tell you to or not to do it.
I agree
I used to think that if you were raped you should go to the ER (as I previously said), but the main problem with this is that so many people don't have health insurance. I honestly don't min rape abortions, but the problem is "rape abortions" don't happen as much as people make them seem. Most abortions are from irresponsible women who decided
"Hey, I want to have sex but don't want to have to deal with the consequences!"
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Kanam wrote on 2012-10-24 20:38
Quote from Reptile;968496:
Most abortions are from irresponsible women who decided
"Hey, I want to have sex but don't want to have to deal with the consequences!"
Which is silly of those women since condom/other contraception are probably WAY cheaper than an abortion. And probably less painful too.
Inb4someone come and say "The man could have manipulated the girl into having sex without contraception" but that's a whole other story.
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Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-10-24 20:40
Hey, I've been a teenage rebel Communist, moderate Nazi, conservative Muslim, Luciferian, and then a rough sketch of what I am today in a manner of perhaps 3 years, so yeah. That was in puberty though, so I guess it's sort of normal.
As for my current self, I have not noticed any change as far as the fundamental ideas are concerned. There is some fluctuation regarding how I think these are served most efficiently based on the data that I have gathered at that moment, and sometimes my scope is widened or narrowed by recent event which may convince me that topic x is important or topic y is not actually as important as I thought, but little groundbreaking stuff. I'm still a naturalist, social ordo liberal, humanist and anti-clerical.
...is this post off-topic or on-topic now?