My views are far from set in stone

• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-24 22:21

  Quote from Drizzit;968570:

  In my be parasitic in nature, but it is still a distinct human life that will eventually become a fully independent human life, thus it deserves the same protection as any other human life.
  
  And I still know that I exist, so whether you believe it or not doesn't matter, and apparently it doesn't to you either since you're still arguing, which means you at least believe some form of consciousness is creating my posts. I post, therefore I am.

  
  
  If you want to speak of pure scienctific things, I'll ask you that question "Why does human life deserve protection?"
  
  And I still know that the things I experienced exist, so whether you believe it or not doesn't matter.
  You know.. it's possible to hold a conversation with a bot -.-, of course, talking to a bot is pointless yet we still do it..Even through some bot might seem like an inteligent form, it isn't.. it's just preprogramated sentences. Of course, I personnaly go along the discussion with the hope that I am talking to someone, but that doesn't mean that my personnal choice (which could be foolish) validate your existance beyond your post.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-24 22:29

  Quote from Chiyuri;968577:

  If you want to speak of pure scienctific things, I'll ask you that question "Why does human life deserve protection?"
  
  And I still know that the things I experienced exist, so whether you believe it or not doesn't matter.
  You know.. it's possible to hold a conversation with a bot -.-, of course, talking to a bot is pointless yet we still do it..Even through some bot might seem like an inteligent form, it isn't.. it's just preprogramated sentences. Of course, I personnaly go along the discussion with the hope that I am talking to someone, but that doesn't mean that my personnal choice (which could be foolish) validate your existance beyond your post.

  As for why human life deserves protection, there are many different arguments, but I don't need to use any of them, because society already seems to believe that it does. Murder is illegal; genocides are condemned; even wars and executions are generally considered at best a necessary evil. Humanity already seems bent on protecting human life, which is why those who wish to justify taking it always try to dehumanize those they are killing, whether we're talking about war, genocide or abortion, those committing it will always paint their victims as subhuman because they too believe that human life should be protected, or at least acknowledge that everyone else thinks so.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-24 22:33

  Quote from Drizzit;968585:

  As for why human life deserves protection, there are many different arguments, but I don't need to use any of them, because society already seems to believe that it does. Murder is illegal; genocides are condemned; even wars and executions are generally considered at best a necessary evil. Humanity already seems bent on protecting human life, which is why those who wish to justify taking it always try to dehumanize those they are killing, whether we're talking about war, genocide or abortion, those committing it will always paint their victims as subhuman because they too believe that human life should be protected, or at least acknowledge that everyone else thinks so.

  Society also already overly accept abortion and is offered to those who need it/want it. If society thought it was bad, they wouldn't do it. So by your logic, since society accept it.. it's fine~~~ Abortion is fine, by your logic~
• BizarreJuju wrote on 2012-10-24 22:35
  Somewhere in my head, I do believe there are "too many human" and thinking of some disease or zombie outbreak to lessen the population
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-24 22:36

  Quote from BizarreJuju;968591:

  Somewhere in my head, I do believe there are "too many human" and thinking of some disease or zombie outbreak to lessen the population

  
  
  would ben ice indeed. But I would be scared that the zombie outbreak could damage the other life form of the planet.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-24 22:38

  Quote from BizarreJuju;968591:

  Somewhere in my head, I do believe there are "too many human" and thinking of some disease or zombie outbreak to lessen the population

  
  
  The natural way for human to release population problem is war. So there's that, and good thing is that's a lot more likely than disease or zombie outbreak.
• BizarreJuju wrote on 2012-10-24 22:44

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;968593:

  The natural way for human to release population problem is war. So there's that, and good thing is that's a lot more likely than disease or zombie outbreak.

  
  
  or give out more unhealthy resources (energy drink, medicine, High cal. fast food) and sicken half the population.
  
  
  Also expecting mass suicide on 12/21/12
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-10-24 22:53
  I just saw that comment in a quote, and would like to add that war does generally VERY little to reduce population because of two things:
  
  1. Usually only a percentage of adult males get killed. The women still get children, from the guys who are too young or otherwise considered unfit to go into battle.
  
  2. Or all the women are raped by the victors.
  
  Total or nuclear war is different of course.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-24 22:59

  Quote from Chiyuri;968589:

  Society also already overly accept abortion and is offered to those who need it/want it. If society thought it was bad, they wouldn't do it. So by your logic, since society accept it.. it's fine~~~ Abortion is fine, by your logic~

  
  
  No, my logic is that society is hypocritical, so I'm showing them why abortion should be illegal according to their own rules. Society condemns genocide, but tolerates abortion. Someday they will realize the ludicrousness of this.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-24 23:09

  Quote from Drizzit;968607:

  No, my logic is that society is hypocritical, so I'm showing them why abortion should be illegal according to their own rules.

  
  
  And why is it hypocritical?
  
  I said it before "Human life" isn't necesarely considered to be "biological view" by everyone. So why is it hypocritical? Society does not consider fetus as an human life, as a person. Heck.. even kids aren't alowed to think for themselves until they get older.. They are treated as "less than a person" but "more than an animal"
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-24 23:24

  Quote from Drizzit;968607:

  No, my logic is that society is hypocritical, so I'm showing them why abortion should be illegal according to their own rules. Society condemns genocide, but tolerates abortion. Someday they will realize the ludicrousness of this.

  
  
  Society tolerates killing of conscious animals for food. A fetus is much less conscious than a grown cow, so most of society has no problem killing them. The only ludicrousness is the fact that you believe that killing a few fetuses qualifies as genocide. Look up the definition, idiot.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-24 23:32

  Quote from RealityBreak;968626:

  Society tolerates killing of conscious animals for food. A fetus is much less conscious than a grown cow, so most of society has no problem killing them. The only ludicrousness is the fact that you believe that killing a few fetuses qualifies as genocide. Look up the definition, idiot.

  
  
  It doesn't qualify as actual genocide, but both amount to mass murder.
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-24 23:34

  Quote from Drizzit;968635:

  It doesn't qualify as actual genocide, but both amount to mass murder.

  
  
  The majority of society never cared, and never should care.
• Drizzit wrote on 2012-10-24 23:37

  Quote from RealityBreak;968637:

  The majority of society never cared, and never should care.

  
  
  And that's the hypocrisy. Most people would say that the ancient Spartan practice of leaving unwanted babies in the forest to die was barbaric. The only difference between that and abortions is that we do it before anyone actually has to see the baby, and that makes it ok.
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-24 23:44

  Quote from Drizzit;968641:

  And that's the hypocrisy. Most people would say that the ancient Spartan practice of leaving unwanted babies in the forest to die was barbaric. The only difference between that and abortions is that we do it before anyone actually has to see the baby, and that makes it ok.

  
  
  The reason it's okay is because the fetuses aren't conscious. Until about 4 months in, at which point the morality of an abortion becomes debatable.