My views are far from set in stone

• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-24 23:51

  Quote from Drizzit;968641:

  And that's the hypocrisy. Most people would say that the ancient Spartan practice of leaving unwanted babies in the forest to die was barbaric. The only difference between that and abortions is that we do it before anyone actually has to see the baby, and that makes it ok.

  
  
  Based on the thought that an fetus is the equal of a fully grown human being.
  Which said thought isn't worldwide spread to the entire population..
  Only you and those who think that careless of it's stage in life or mental capacities, all human biological life is equal in importence say that not beleiving so is hypocrite.. In reality, it's only hypocrite if it's someone of your same group of thought that was still fine with abortion.. If you want to talk about hypocrisy, isn't it kinda unfair that your view is the only one you think of absolute and you try to deny the other views and call them hypocrite cause they go against your own? Why would your view be more importent then theirs?
  Spartan's view are different than current society's view.
  Current Society's view is different than your view.
  And your view is different than my view.
  from your ponit of view.. it's like that
  Spartan < Current society < yours.
  
  From my point
  Spartan < yours < Current Society < mine
  
  Should I have the right to qualify you as hypocrite based on my views while your views don't define you as one?
  If yes, then yes, you are one heck of an hypocrite.
  If no. then stop calling other people who don't share your view hypocrites based on your own simple and pointless personnal small view.
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-25 00:08

  Quote from Chiyuri;968654:

  Based on the thought that a fetus is equivalent to a fully grown human being.
  Which is not a belief that is held worldwide...
  Only you and those who feel that regardless of its stage in life or mental capabilities, all human biological life is equal in importance, say that not believing so is hypocritical... In reality, it's hypocritical only if someone from your same group of thought is also fine with abortion. If you want to talk about hypocrisy, isn't it kinda unfair that you hold your view as an absolute and try to deny other views and call them hypocritical because they go against your own? Why would your view be more important than theirs?
  The Spartan's views were different from the current society's view.
  And the Current Society's view is different from your view.
  And your view is different from my view.
  from your point of view.. it's like that
  Spartan < Current society < yours.
  
  From my point
  Spartan < yours < Current Society < mine
  
  Should I have the right to qualify you as hypocrite based on my views while your views don't define you as one?
  If yes, then yes, you are one heck of an hypocrite.
  If not, then stop calling other people who don't share your view hypocrites based on your own small, simple and pointless personal view.

  
  
  I would rather say, he's making an incorrect assumption of what "view" society holds, rather than holding his own view above the rest. And he was only using the Spartans as an attempted analogy to abortion, rather than criticizing their society.
• Sumpfkraut wrote on 2012-10-25 00:20

  Quote from Drizzit;968560:

  The funny thing is, there is exactly as much verifiable, scientific proof for life on other planets as there is for God, zero. Just think about that for a second.
  
  
  A fetus is NOT part of a woman's body. It is 100% genetically distinct. I am arguing with biology and genetics. You're arguing with bullshit.
  
  Also, you cannot logically doubt my existence because you're arguing with me. It is not, I think therefore I am, but rather I think, therefore you are.

  
  Yeah, but life on other planets doesn't go against nature. Woops.
  
  It may be genetically distinct, but so are bacteria. However, unlike the fetus, bacteria can sustain themselves.
  Bacteria 1 - 0 Fetus
  Well I guess we have to go say bye bye to medicine to remain moral.
  
  She could argue that you are but a figment of her mind.
  

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• BizarreJuju wrote on 2012-10-25 00:24
  Im for abortion and I believe women have the full right to decide on what to do with their body and fetus. It’s not like men can fully understand the process the female body goes through. Men’s job is to just fertilize eggs, they don’t need to have another human in their womb. They can support their partner and child, do nothing, or leave her. Personally I see death of an older human a lot shocking than a fetus.
  
  However there are cases when a couple decide to have an un-protective sex and resulted in an unwanted pregnancy (I have friends that went through this). They decided on getting an abortion, however stupid thing, they went through the same problem the second time with same mistake. At the same time there are underage pregnancies where the mother (child) can’t even support her baby, but have the time to go out and party.
  
  Just hope people don't abuse abortion
• RebeccaBlack wrote on 2012-10-25 00:27
  How do you guys keep up with this thread? It seems every time I leave for an hour there's five more pages.
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-25 00:31

  Quote from RebeccaBlack;968692:

  How do you guys keep up with this thread? It seems every time I leave for an hour there's five more pages.

  
  
  I don't. I just argue with what I see.
  
  If a fetus is not part of a woman's body, and she does not want it, then it is a parasite that she should have every right to remove.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-25 00:35

  Quote from RealityBreak;968696:

  I don't. I just argue with what I see.
  
  If a fetus is not part of a woman's body, and she does not want it, then it is a parasite that she should have every right to remove.

  
  
  it's not a parasite because it's not a foreign organism.
  
  Also by definition parasite must be a different specie from the host :P
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-25 00:42

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;968704:

  Also by definition parasite must be a different specie from the host :P

  
  
  Ya. Gotted. Me. :no!:
  But many parents consider their kids parasites for over 20 years since they were born. 'Tis connotation, not denotation! :point:
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-25 00:44

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;968704:

  it's not a parasite because it's not a foreign organism.
  
  Also by definition parasite must be a different specie from the host :P

  
  
  Said definition of different specie is not present in all dictionnary, hence it doesn't have to apply. Language is such a troublesome thing isn't it? It's not stable enough and the meaning of words change so easily from one person to another.. from one source to another..
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-25 00:50

  Quote from Chiyuri;968717:

  Said definition of different species is not present in all dictionary, hence it doesn't apply. Language is such a troublesome thing isn't it? It's not stable enough and the meaning of words change so easily from one person to another.. And from one source to another..

  
  
  The different species thing was from Wikipedia lololol. It's also the first place I looked...
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-25 00:57

  Quote from RealityBreak;968726:

  The different species thing was from Wikipedia lololol. It's also the first place I looked...

  
  
  So? Wiki isn't the only source in the world. Actually, I looked at the French Wiki for parasite >.< Guess what, it's not writen. Of course we could probably play on the fact it's a different language and that parasite in french and parasite in englsih doesn't mean the same thing... we could take that path if you really want to..
• Episkey wrote on 2012-10-25 00:57
  A parasite from a biological perspective refers to another organism that benefits from an organism, in a non-mutual perspective.
  
  
  But to equivilate the natural process of reproduction to ... parasitism!?! Congratulations.
  
  You just called your developing self - a parasite.
  
  
  P.S
  
  Reproduction would surely fall under the category of mutualism, if not commensalism.
• TLCBonaparte wrote on 2012-10-25 01:01

  Quote from Chiyuri;968717:

  Said definition of different specie is not present in all dictionnary, hence it doesn't have to apply. Language is such a troublesome thing isn't it? It's not stable enough and the meaning of words change so easily from one person to another.. from one source to another..

  
  
  How does parasitic mono specie work exactly? You guys are just digging in deeper, stop trying to justify calling fetus parasites lol.
• RealityBreak wrote on 2012-10-25 01:01

  Quote from Episkey;968735:

  A parasite from a biological perspective refers to another organism that benefits from an organism, in a non-mutual perspective.
  
  
  But to equivilate the natural process of reproduction to ... parasitism!?! Congratulations.
  
  You just called your developing self - a parasite.
  
  
  P.S
  
  Reproduction would surely fall under the category of mutualism, if not commensalism.

  
  
  Please learn to follow arguments leading to this point? It is only considered a parasite if it is not considered part of the woman's body. The woman should have the right to an abortion with either perspective. And yes, I am a parasite. I've been sucking money out of my parents since I was born, and am taking more for college (not on full scholarship). 100% parasite.
  
  

  Quote from TLCBonaparte;968740:

  How does parasitic mono specie work exactly? You guys are just digging in deeper, stop trying to justify calling fetus parasites lol.

  
  
  I'm justifying abortion.
• Chiyuri wrote on 2012-10-25 01:04

  Quote from Episkey;968735:

  A parasite from a biological perspective refers to another organism that benefits from an organism, in a non-mutual perspective.
  
  
  But to equivilate the natural process of reproduction to ... parasitism!?! Congratulations.
  
  You just called your developing self - a parasite.
  
  
  P.S
  
  Reproduction would surely fall under the category of mutualism, if not commensalism.

  
  
  From your point of view maybe, personnaly, my point of view indicate that my existance is ever changing and if there is a truth begining to it, it's at age 1-2.. At that age the body is beyond the parasite phase, hence I don't see myself has ever having been one.
  
  P.S.
  Drinking water is an action you can deliberatly take but some form of parasite that affect human can contaminate you from water you drink(in certain location of the world)
  Even if the cause create such a consequence, it doesn't mean the consequence was something accepted. Something desired, something mutual.