[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

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merrykitten wrote on 2013-08-21 07:40

i wish there was a title which added % of archery damage
Psy wrote on 2013-08-21 07:50

Quote from wallrocha;1138508:
Thats the same as saying "Sniper is not worth it, its just +20 max damage"

20 max is significant, 5% magic damage is not even at endgame (in the current formula).

Quote from wallrocha;1138508:
And no, Magic Master is not going to be better after zero update.

I never said the title will change, I said the formula will, magic damage's role.
Zekkii wrote on 2013-08-21 09:18

I actually find the magic titles to be much better then that of others, or at least I would if magic wasn't crap. I'm not entirely sure how they'll fare after the update, hopefully mastering meteor strike isn't so hard.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 09:28

Quote from Zekkii;1138540:
I actually find the magic titles to be much better then that of others, or at least I would if magic wasn't crap. I'm not entirely sure how they'll fare after the update, hopefully mastering meteor strike isn't so hard.

I can't Korean, but at a guess from the numbers in the requirements it looks like it's going to be attack a dragon 300 times, kill 10+ mobs with one skill usage 300 times, deal 500k damage+ with one skill usage 50 times, all with 1 count each.

Now be a good cat and go find me the new magic formula.
merrykitten wrote on 2013-08-21 09:59

300 times?! with 30 minute cd? oh
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 11:13

Found some info changes on mabi data. Changed the OP to reflect that.

Seems the coefficients are slightly different than what I put there. The new formula came from Soluna.

Here's an interesting post. Top of the page: http://mabidata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1621&start=100

Quote from ui100:

Hailstorm's damage based on old formula (1500 int, masteries, reforges, enchants, magic power potion, rosemary)
around 7,968+ damage with 5 charges

in 12 seconds you would deal a total of 95,625 normal damage with the instant casting skill. With a maximum crit potential of: 239k+ crit damage

Vs

Hailstorm's damage based on new formula (1500 int, masteries, reforges, enchants, magic power potion, rosemary)

around 4196+ damage with 5 charges

in 12 seconds you would deal 50k+ normal damage with the instant casting skill.
With a maximum of crit potential of: 125k+ crit damage.

If Ui100 is around I'd love to see his work on how he came up with that exact figure because figuring in r1 ice mastery and rosemary gloves + magic power potion + 1500 int gives me a much larger figure than what he mentioned.

What I did was r1 hailstorm (300 damage), 1500 int, rosemary gloves, r1 ice mastery. Ignoring upgrades, enchants, and reforges atm. I'm assuming the Magic Damage % and Element % boost applies after the initial formula. This would also probably explain the changes to the special ugprades

(300 + 300 * 1.4) * (1.15+1.15) = 936 per charge * 5 = 4,680 Damage
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 11:29

Thanks King!

Can I have some elaboration on a few things though? (By someone, not necessarily you)

1) What does it mean by casting speed now stacks properly? Can someone give me an example please? I can't find the casting speed formula on the wiki.
2) The formula still seems to be somewhat missing. With 500 MAtk, you'd still be doing 700 damage ice spears at rank 1. Anyone else know anything about this?
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 11:38

Quote from Gensokyou;1138569:
Thanks King!

Can I have some elaboration on a few things though? (By someone, not necessarily you)

1) What does it mean by casting speed now stacks properly? Can someone give me an example please? I can't find the casting speed formula on the wiki.
2) The formula still seems to be somewhat missing. With 500 MAtk, you'd still be doing 700 damage ice spears at rank 1. Anyone else know anything about this?

1) Right now Vivace + Speed Casting Reforge + Speed Casting Upgrade do not stack. After this, all 3 of those stack properly so you can now actually do 8 second charge fireballs.
2) Correction you would be doing 851 Ice Spear Damage per charge or 4,255 for 5 charges. (240 + 500) * 1.15 (r1 ice mastery) = 851 *5 = 4,255

If you don't want to factor in ice mastery it would be 740 not 700 and then you can multiply that by number of charges.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 11:46

Quote from Kingofrunes;1138572:
1) Right now Vivace + Speed Casting Reforge + Speed Casting Upgrade do not stack. After this, all 3 of those stack properly so you can now actually do 8 second charge fireballs.

Are those the only things affecting magic cast speed? Is there a formula I can use for some theorycrafting?

2) Correction you would be doing 851 Ice Spear Damage per charge or 4,255 for 5 charges. (240 + 500) * 1.15 (r1 ice mastery) = 851 *5 = 4,255

So with 500 MAtk and rank 1 Firebolt, you'd be doing:

(120+250)*1.15 (fire)*1.15(Bolt)*1.15(bolt master title)=2.8k non-crit firebolts.

Is that right?

That still seems a little less then we've actually seen in the actual update, and 4.2k ice spears are still pretty low =\
Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-08-21 11:50

Quote from Gensokyou;1138574:
Are those the only things affecting magic cast speed? Is there a formula I can use for some theorycrafting?

People did tests and it seems the amount of intelligence you have reduces casting speed and MP cost, too.
About 2% for both per 100 int or something.
Not sure whether that will still apply after the update.

Quote from Gensokyou;1138574:
So with 500 MAtk and rank 1 Firebolt, you'd be doing:

(120+250)*1.15 (fire)*1.15(Bolt)*1.15(bolt master title)=2.8k non-crit firebolts.

Is that right?

That still seems a little less then we've actually seen in the actual update, and 4.2k ice spears are still pretty low =\

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Magic_Weapon_Mastery

150% bolt damage increase at rank 1.

Basically, whatever your current (rank 1 critical) crit bolt damage is right now, will become your regular bolt damage with that skill at rank 1.

It also has a 'decent' Master Title.
Aubog007 wrote on 2013-08-21 11:51

It's compounded, no formula needed.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 11:57

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1138576:
People did tests and it seems the amount of intelligence you have reduces casting speed and MP cost, too.
About 2% for both per 100 int or something.
Not sure whether that will still apply after the update.

Ah, okay. Thanks Snowie-tan!

http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Magic_Weapon_Mastery

150% bolt damage increase at rank 1.

Basically, whatever your current (rank 1 critical) crit bolt damage is right now, will become your regular bolt damage with that skill at rank 1.

It also has a 'decent' Master Title.

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Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 12:04

Quote from Gensokyou;1138574:
Are those the only things affecting magic cast speed? Is there a formula I can use for some theorycrafting?

So with 500 MAtk and rank 1 Firebolt, you'd be doing:

(120+250)*1.15 (fire)*1.15(Bolt)*1.15(bolt master title)=2.8k non-crit firebolts.

Is that right?

That still seems a little less then we've actually seen in the actual update, and 4.2k ice spears are still pretty low =\

Old Formula. (Did I ever mention how much I really hate this formula?)

{ [ ( spell_damage * full_charge_multiplier ) + wand_bonus ] * charge_multiplier + ( damage_enchants * spell_constant ) } * ( 1 + magic_attack/100 + elemental_mastery_bonus + bolt_mastery_bonus + staff_elemental_level_bonus + hebona_set_bonus + rosemary_glove_bonus ) * ( 1 + normal_upgrade_bonus + title_bonus ) * ( 1 + special_upgrade_bonus ) * 1.1

Going to assume unupgraded Fire wand, 1000 int, no hebona, no rosemary, no staff, r1 firebolt, r1 bolt mastery, no damage enchants, no titles, and no magic attack enchants, bolt master title
{[ ( 120 * 1.3) + 5 ] * 6.5 + (0)}*(1+50/100 + .15 + .15 + 0 + 0 + 0) * (1 + 0 + .15) * (1 + 0) * 1.1
{[ (156) + 5 ] * 6.5}*(1+.5+.45)*1*1*1.1
{[161] * 6.5}*1.8*1.1
1047*1.95*1.1 = 2,041 Firebolt Damage (Rounded up)

New Formula
Skill Base + Magic Attack * Skill Bonus
120 + 200 * .5 = 220 * (1 + .15 + .15 + .15) * 6.5 = 2,074 Firebolt Damage (5 charges)

My assumption is that all the %'s are added together and then multiplied. If I did it the way you have it

It would be 220 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 6.5 = 2,175 Firebolt Damage.

So it will matter GREATLY in how those are factored in. That's the missing piece of the puzzle.

As for the speed casting thing. I forgot to factor Int, and r1 Magic Weapon Mastery into the speed cast increase. I don't know the exact formula.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 12:26

So would that mean individual skill damage reforges or casting speed reforges would be better?
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 12:52

Quote from Gensokyou;1138584:
So would that mean individual skill damage reforges or casting speed reforges would be better?

Depends on a lot of things. I'd say that skill damage reforges would be better for most skills. Fireball I feel would benefit more from the speed casting reforge as it's the only spell that takes awhile to charge and having 8 second or less fireballs would be far better than buffing up fireball even higher than it's already high damage.

Also to add to my previous point. From the start fire bolt appears nerfed but once you get r1 magic weapon mastery it gets a buff. As 1,595 would become 2,393 Non crit which is higher than our current firebolt. So instead of 2.5k crit firebolts you'd be getting 6k crit firebolts. Not a bad deal if I don't say so myself.

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