[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-21 13:41

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1138591:

  Depends on a lot of things. I'd say that skill damage reforges would be better for most skills. Fireball I feel would benefit more from the speed casting reforge as it's the only spell that takes awhile to charge and having 8 second or less fireballs would be far better than buffing up fireball even higher than it's already high damage.
  
  Also to add to my previous point. From the start fire bolt appears nerfed but once you get r1 magic weapon mastery it gets a buff. As 1,595 would become 2,393 Non crit which is higher than our current firebolt. So instead of 2.5k crit firebolts you'd be getting 6k crit firebolts. Not a bad deal if I don't say so myself.

  
  
  Where are you putting that into the formula? Shouldn't it be +150%?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 14:34

  Quote from Gensokyou;1138605:

  Where are you putting that into the formula? Shouldn't it be +150%?

  
  
  I fudged up. Here's 2 different possiblities
  
  220 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 1.15 * 2.5 = 836 * 5 = 4,182 * 2.5 = 10,456 Crit
  220 * [1 + (.15 + .15 + .15 + 1.5)] = 649 * 5 = 3,245 * 2.5 = 8,113 Crit
  
  Okay ya that makes a big difference on where the hell that's calculated in the formula.
  
  I'm going to assume they are additive rather than multiplied after each other. As I believe I saw a video of someone doing 7k fireball crits in hard mode which would support my 8,113 crit formula
  
  Here's my theory on the new magic formula based on what Soluna provided:
  
  (Base Skill Dmg + Magic Atk x Skill Bonus) * (1 + [Title Bonus + Magic Damage Upgrades + Element Mastery + Hebona Bonus (if applies) + Rosemary bonus (if applies) + Bolt Mastery + Magic Weapon Mastery]) = Final Damage
  
  Do note that this isn't taking into account max damage as I still have no idea how that fits in the new formula. Nor do I know where the wand bonus fits in all of this.
  
  I'm going to go with 1,300 Int (which is more likely where I'll be) and r1 firebolt with Savage Fire Wand s5, r1 fire mastery, r1 bolt mastery, using Bolt Master Title and Succubus Kristell Prefix, Hebona Set, and r1 Magic Weapon Mastery. All of these I already have or will have.
  
  1,300/5 = 260 + 68 + 32 = 360 Magic Attack.
  Savage Fire Wand Fully Upgaded for Magic Damage starting with 5% damage = 26
  
  (120 + 360 x 0.5) * (1 + [.15 + .02 + .26 + .15 + .10 + .15 + 1.5])
  (120 + 180) * (1+ 2.33)
  300 * 3.33 = 999 Firebolt Single Charge * 5 = 4,995 Non Crit * 2.5 = 12,488 Crit Damage.
  
  So in Theory I could get 12k+ crit firebolt Post Zero.
  
  On another note
  
  [video=youtube;3HaD9jPygfI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HaD9jPygfI#t=184[/video]
  
  Holy Fucking Blaze Damage
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-21 19:44
  Hailstorm can deal 40k crit per 5 charge with hailstorm max reforge.
  
  Right now I deal 20k crit with a lvl 18 hailstorm max, and can beat elemental lance smash.
  
  Blaze can also 40k crit with a blaze damage reforge, after Merlin.
  
  Suck on these nut, puppet.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-08-21 19:56

  Quote from ewire123;1138696:

  Right now I deal 20k crit with a lvl 18 hailstorm max, and can beat elemental lance smash.
  

  
  
  Those gotta be some terrible lances since I've seen them smash higher than 20k easily.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-21 20:16

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1138699:

  Those gotta be some terrible lances since I've seen them smash higher than 20k easily.

  
  
  Most smash I guess. Not all :p
  
  After Merlin update however, I'm still waiting on 40k smash to beat my hailstorm.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-21 20:42
  Can't wait to test my fusion bolt with my Hebona set + Trinity S6 (mana needle + Island) full charged and everything else mentioned in this topic. (aside from firebolt/ice/fusion bolt reforges that I dont think its worth investing)
• Tropa wrote on 2013-08-21 20:44

  Quote from ewire123;1138704:

  Most smash I guess. Not all :p
  
  After Merlin update however, I'm still waiting on 40k smash to beat my hailstorm.

  
  
  Can't wait to crack 70k's+ with Heatwave.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 20:44

  Quote from wallrocha;1138709:

  Can't wait to test my fusion bolt with my Hebona set + Trinity S6 (mana needle + Island) full charged and everything else mentioned in this topic. (aside from firebolt/ice/fusion bolt reforges that I dont think its worth it)

  
  
  Well if the Firebolt/icebolt calculations go into the Base Spell Damage section it will be a lot bigger of a boost than general bolt mastery reforge. But that reforge is most likely wasted when you could go with a fireball or hailstorm reforge instead.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-21 20:49

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1138711:

  Well if the Bolt calculations go into the Base Spell Damage section it will be a lot bigger of a boost than general bolt mastery reforge. But that reforge is most likely wasted when you could go with a fireball or hailstorm reforge instead.

  
  
  The only worth ones are Fusion Bolt Mastery / Bolt Mastery which adds +1% per level (Lv20 max) and they are for headgear only. With 20m of credne/reforge spam I can PROBABLY get this D:
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 20:57

  Quote from wallrocha;1138713:

  The only worth ones are Fusion Bolt Mastery / Bolt Mastery which adds +1% per level (Lv20 max) and they are for headgear only. With 20m of credne/reforge spam I can PROBABLY get this D:

  
  
  Well, a lot of that depends on the new formula and where the reforges play in it. My assumption was based on the if the bolt mastery reforge was added in with the other Damage % modifiers vs if the firebolt reforge directly added to the firebolt damage. Example:
  
  Before Reforges
  (120 + 180) * (1+ 2.33)
  300 * 3.33 = 999 Firebolt Single Charge * 6.5 = 6,494 Non Crit * 2.5 = 16,234 Crit Damage.
  
  Assuming Firebolt reforge adds to the base spell damage portion:
  (120+180+50)*(1+2.33)
  350 * 3.33 = 1,166 Firebolt Single Charge * 6.5 = 7,579 Non Crit * 2.5 = 18,948 Crit Damage.
  
  Assuming Bolt Mastery adds to the % portion of the formula which I figured were all added togther and then multiplied by the formula in the OP
  (120+180)*(1+2.33+.20)
  300 *3.53 = 1,059 Firebolt Single Charge * 6.5 = 6,884 Non Crit * 2.5 = 17,209 Crit Damage
  
  So ya, couple missing factors in that formula.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-21 21:23
  Firebolt reforge add directly to firebolt max damage, just like hailstorm max damage reforge.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-21 22:48

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1138716:

  So ya, couple missing factors in that formula.

  
  
  But still, Bolts reforges only come on weapons and you can get something really better on a Wand/Staff and the Bolt/Fusion Mastery are on headgear.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-21 22:53

  Quote from wallrocha;1138743:

  But still, Bolts reforges only come on weapons and you can get something really better on a Wand/Staff and the Bolt/Fusion Mastery are on headgear.

  
  
  Still think my headgear would be better suited for something else aside from bolt/fusion bolt as the increase is small enough, that it would be better suited for a gunner reforge or a fighter reforge to use in conjunction with magic.
• Syrion wrote on 2013-08-21 23:53

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1138716:

  Well, a lot of that depends on the new formula and where the reforges play in it. My assumption was based on the if the bolt mastery reforge was added in with the other Damage % modifiers vs if the firebolt reforge directly added to the firebolt damage. Example:
  
  Before Reforges
  (120 + 180) * (1+ 2.33)
  300 * 3.33 = 999 Firebolt Single Charge * 5 = 4,995 Non Crit * 2.5 = 12,488 Crit Damage.
  
  Assuming Firebolt reforge adds to the base spell damage portion:
  (120+180+50)*(1+2.33)
  350 * 3.33 = 1,166 Firebolt Single Charge * 5 = 5,828 Non Crit * 2.5 = 14,569 Crit Damage.
  
  Assuming Bolt Mastery adds to the % portion of the formula which I figured were all added togther and then multiplied by the formula in the OP
  (120+180)*(1+2.33+.20)
  300 *3.53 = 1,059 Firebolt Single Charge * 5 = 5,295 Non Crit * 2.5 = 13,238 Crit Damage
  
  So ya, couple missing factors in that formula.

  
  
  isnt firebolt x6.5
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-22 00:29

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1138747:

  Still think my headgear would be better suited for something else aside from bolt/fusion bolt as the increase is small enough, that it would be better suited for a gunner reforge or a fighter reforge to use in conjunction with magic.

  
  
  I agree. Thats why I am not going to reforge a headgear since I only care about magic. o _o
  
  

  Quote from Syrion;1138774:

  isnt firebolt x6.5

  
  
  It is. Firebolt and IS with 5 charges has a x6.5