[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-23 00:51

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1139182:

  4 int = 1 magic balance

  
  
  Magic balance is raw now? 1000 int = 250 magic balance? what does this mean lol.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-23 01:33

  Quote from wallrocha;1139222:

  Magic balance is raw now? 1000 int = 250 magic balance? what does this mean lol.

  
  
  Nothing really. It means it hasn't changed.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-23 15:19

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1139182:

  That formula actually works pretty well when I did my calculations. I messed up in my last round of calculations by forgetting that the gold bonus only applies if you have a wand equipped. Thus why I was seeing higher damage for firebolt having an ice wand equipped vs having no wand equipped.
  
  Rank D Firebolt 9 - 28
  (Base Skill Dmg + Magic Atk x Skill Bonus) * (1+[% Modifiers added together])
  9 + 17 * .5
  9 + 8.5 = 17.5
  17.5 * (1 + .05)
  17.5 * 1.05 = 18
  17.5 * 1.55 = 27
  Unfournately it's off by 1 with this data set. For the second skill set, I'm going to assume I was being lucky not to hit the min. Only issue is that without me putting a lot of effort to get my test char with high enough stats, it's going to be very difficult to really put it to the test outside of these small paltry tests.
  
  [spoiler="More Raw Data"]
  Knuckles 24~36 Damage Firebolt Test on Young Raccoons
  36
  43
  38
  42
  28
  27
  21
  29
  21
  21
  
  Bare handed 18-31 Firebolt Damage Test on Young Raccoons
  27
  33
  21
  33
  27
  36
  17
  40
  32
  38
  43
  E
  Ice Wand 22~33 Damage Firebolt Test on Young Raccoons
  58
  49
  58
  63
  37
  63
  62
  31
  52
  31
  57
  [/spoiler]
  
  Found this:
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/48sPj.png]

  
  
  There's actually a minimum skill coefficent for Magic.
  
  http://mirror.enha.kr/wiki/%EB%A7%88%EB%B9%84%EB%85%B8%EA%B8%B0/%EB%8A%A5%EB%A0%A5%EC%B9%98
  
  
  
  9 + 17 * .35
  9 + 5.95 = 14.95
  14.95 * (1 + .05)
  14.95 * 1.05 = 15.6975 (16?)
  
  Every where I go for Korean sources I keep seeing the same formula everywhere so at this point I'm going to assume it as fact especially as my calculations work out for the most part on the little bit of testing I did on the test server.

  
  
  Yeah that the thing..... You need a high lvl Mage to do more testing. Testing bolt on raccoon just doesn't cover everything.
  
  All video of Mage in kr live I seen hit way harder without any reforge(like 15k in HM) and with reforge, their potential damage is like 30k-40k.
  
  I'm still waiting for the formula to explain that :/
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-23 16:02

  Quote from ewire123;1139543:

  Yeah that the thing..... You need a high lvl Mage to do more testing. Testing bolt on raccoon just doesn't cover everything.
  
  All video of Mage in kr live I seen hit way harder without any reforge(like 15k in HM) and with reforge, their potential damage is like 30k-40k.
  
  I'm still waiting for the formula to explain that :/

  
  
  Unfortunately we have no high level mages on the test crew and getting one takes too long unless we do it on KR Live which is a really long term investment. By the time we get a high level mage, test server would just wipe it.
  
  So unfournatley we're pretty SoL atm.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-23 16:07

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1139557:

  Unfortunately we have no high level mages on the test crew and getting one takes too long unless we do it on KR Live which is a really long term investment. By the time we get a high level mage, test server would just wipe it.
  
  So unfournatley we're pretty SoL atm.

  
  
  Admittedly i'm too tired to do it, and too lazy, but couldn't you just throw some numbers around and see what you come up with? Shouldn't be too bad considering the new formula.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-23 16:39

  Quote from Gensokyou;1139559:

  Admittedly i'm too tired to do it, and too lazy, but couldn't you just throw some numbers around and see what you come up with? Shouldn't be too bad considering the new formula.

  
  
  That's what we have been doing the past several pages if you have been paying attention. Even before I went to test on Raccoons. The thing is without the stats and gear to actually test and verify it seems that what Korean sources have cited isn't sufficient enough for you guys. So frankly, The information in the OP is the best we can offer unless by some miracle you guys find something on gameabout, or a Korean Source that says otherwise.
  
  Alternatively, wait and see if the Japanese uncover anything further. They'll hopefully get Zero update soon.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-23 16:43

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1139571:

  That's what we have been doing the past several pages if you have been paying attention. Even before I went to test on Raccoons. The thing is without the stats and gear to actually test and verify it seems that what Korean sources have cited isn't sufficient enough for you guys. So frankly, The information in the OP is the best we can offer unless by some miracle you guys find something on gameabout, or a Korean Source that says otherwise.
  
  Alternatively, wait and see if the Japanese uncover anything further. They'll hopefully get Zero update soon.

  
  
  I meant in regards to the 15-20k and 40k hailstorm.
• Grimfox wrote on 2013-08-24 06:01

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1137859:

  For existing characters you can rebirth into the Hero's and get the Hero skills by paying 39 Pons (subject to change when it comes to NA)

  
  
  Sorry to pose this stupid question, but does this mean that if your character has a lower ranked skill than the Hero card gives, it will be ranked up when rebirthing? Or does this only apply to Meteor Strike, Moving Cast, Instant Cast, and Magic Weapon Mastery?
  
  [S]Actually typing this out makes me feel like a moron because I think I already know the answer[/S]
• Psy wrote on 2013-08-24 06:23

  Quote from Grimfox;1139845:

  Sorry to pose this stupid question, but does this mean that if your character has a lower ranked skill than the Hero card gives, it will be ranked up when rebirthing? Or does this only apply to Meteor Strike, Moving Cast, Instant Cast, and Magic Weapon Mastery?
  
  [S]Actually typing this out makes me feel like a moron because I think I already know the answer[/S]

  
  You can only rebirth into a hero talent (which is equivalent to a Zero card), not into a Hero/Elite Hero card. So at most, existing characters could only get those three skills at rF by paying nx.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-24 06:39

  Quote from Psy;1139852:

  You can only rebirth into a hero talent (which is equivalent to a Zero card), not into a Hero/Elite Hero card. So at most, existing characters could only get those three skills at rF by paying nx.

  
  
  Incorrect.
  Anyone can get the Druid skills (even if you don't buy the card) you just have to reach their requeriments. However the card will give you 2x training on those skills (aside from Magic Weapon Mastery that goes on mage talent)
• Psy wrote on 2013-08-24 07:14

  Quote from wallrocha;1139855:

  Incorrect.
  Anyone can get the Druid skills (even if you don't buy the card) you just have to reach their requeriments. However the card will give you 2x training on those skills (aside from Magic Weapon Mastery that goes on mage talent)

  
  Sorry that was worded badly, I didn't mean the only way you can get those skills was via nx, I said only those three skills would be given if you pay nx for a hero talent.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-24 08:56

  Quote from ewire123;1139543:

  Yeah that the thing..... You need a high lvl Mage to do more testing. Testing bolt on raccoon just doesn't cover everything.
  
  All video of Mage in kr live I seen hit way harder without any reforge(like 15k in HM) and with reforge, their potential damage is like 30k-40k.
  
  I'm still waiting for the formula to explain that :/

  
  
  Just sat down with the cat and did some theorycrafting since nobody volunteered to do it.
  
  Because of the way that the new formula works (Base damage + (constant * matk)), the hailstorm reforge's actual damage increase becomes a function of the additional bonuses (such as charge multiplier, ice mastery, etc), whereas before that, a level 20 hailstorm reforge was a static 66% increase to damage.
  
  For example: 1000 int, no titles, S5 staff with 29% magic damage, rosemary gloves, rank 1 ice mastery and hail storm at 5 charges, No reforge:
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/49A4C/5620ec7d2b.png]

  
  
  Now the exact same stats with a level 20 reforge:
  
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/49A5z/f1942f13d6.png]

  
  
  That means that in effect, while the actual reforge would get nerfed, hailstorm in general would get buffed.
  
  You could see that as a win/win perhaps, if you wern't a big fan of reforges.
  
  However, that's assuming King's formula of stacking all the bonuses and assuming that magic damage upgrades from wands/staves still give a % post-zero. If they didn't, then hailstorm's damage and the reforge bonus post-zero would take a pretty hefty nerf. The cat tells me that he thinks that magic damage upgrades are converted to magic attack after zero.
  
  Thoughts?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-24 11:22

  Quote from Gensokyou;1139886:

  The cat tells me that he thinks that magic damage upgrades are converted to magic attack after zero.
  
  Thoughts?

  
  I have not found any evidence that this is true. I thought I already disproved this several pages back from the screenshots from KR.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-24 11:27

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1139907:

  I have not found any evidence that this is true. I thought I already disproved this several pages back from the screenshots from KR.

  
  
  That's what I was thinking based on the demonic infinity staff picture, but I more meant thoughts in regards to the damage, hailstorm reforge, etc.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-24 16:48

  Quote from Gensokyou;1139886:

  That means that in effect, while the actual reforge would get nerfed, hailstorm in general would get buffed.

  
  
  How did you discovered that reforges that add max damage on spells got nerfed [S]that much[/S]?
  Does that mean all of them got nerfed post Zero? My guess is that the max damage only apply on the first charge now instead of every charge x6.5, amrite?
  
  
  I am still curious about the post zero Savage Wand/Hermit Staff upgrades. It stil say "4 magic" on the upgrades but I don't know if thats a 4% or just a....... 4 magic attack.
  
  edit: From the screenshots that King posted, I cant read anything beside the numbers on the weapons. Anyone here can read Korean and can tell me if it says % after the number?