Melee Elf: They Don't Suck!(honest)

• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 21:04
  OP compared Elf Melee to Human Melee like Human Range to Elf Range I pretty much just proved he was wrong :3
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-20 21:09

  Quote from Fumy;132164:

  OP compared Elf Melee to Human Melee like Human Range to Elf Range I pretty much just proved he was wrong :3

  
  
  The guide is missing a lot of points and has some misconceptions mixed into it :\
  
  Also elves really can't measure up to humans in their ability in different classes. They're not nearly versatile enough to excel in a spot where they were designed to be weak.
  
  Let's say humans have 80% in everything. Elves can have 95% in ranged, 90% in magic with disadvantages as well, and 60% in melee. Giants have something similar that's more melee based.
  
  60% can't ever measure up to 80%, but they have other things to make up for it. I think this guide shouldn't be about how elves can be equal, or come close to being on equal terms with human melee, because it can't.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 21:15
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  My Point lol but Imo there shouldn't be any Melee Elf Guides at all why make people pick the weakest race if they like to melee? o.o
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-20 21:24

  Quote from Fumy;132178:

  ^
  My Point lol but Imo there shouldn't be any Melee Elf Guides at all why make people pick the weakest race if they like to melee? o.o

  
  
  It's a challenge, I guess.
  
  Personally, I think what everyone calls Mabinogi "Easy modo" is already hard enough for a lazy player anyways.
• Vanof wrote on 2010-08-20 21:40

  Quote from Kazuni;132168:

  The guide is missing a lot of points and has some misconceptions mixed into it :\
  
  Also elves really can't measure up to humans in their ability in different classes. They're not nearly versatile enough to excel in a spot where they were designed to be weak.
  
  Let's say humans have 80% in everything. Elves can have 95% in ranged, 90% in magic with disadvantages as well, and 60% in melee. Giants have something similar that's more melee based.
  
  60% can't ever measure up to 80%, but they have other things to make up for it. I think this guide shouldn't be about how elves can be equal, or come close to being on equal terms with human melee, because it can't.

  
  
  1) Please point out those misconceptions of mine... :x
  
  2) This guide was never about how elves could be equal, because they can't. It's about how they can be good regardless.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 21:44

  Quote from Vanof;132205:

  This guide was never about how elves could be equal, because they can't. It's about how they can be good regardless.

  
  
  Prove to me that a Melee elf can come close to the damage of an Elf Archer/Mage or Human/Giant
  Crash Shot > Windmill
  All Adv Magics and Blaze > Windmill
  Mag > Smash
  well that's for elves
• Andy-Buddy wrote on 2010-08-20 22:06
  Opening another door, and using elf advantages in melee, when it's needed, is always a good thing.
  
  Though this guide might be taken as a literal guide, to make a pure melee elf, this can also be taken as a guide to integrate basic melee skills into an elf's arsenal, and some tips for elves who aren't used to meleeing on an elf.
  
  I've met a so many elves who haven't even heard of N+1, N+Whatever, and so many things.
  
  
  Having it there is never bad, and as a back up, melee does work enough to push a monster into safe ranged range.
• Fumy wrote on 2010-08-20 22:12
  There is no need for melee we can zero shoot :3
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-20 23:09
  When I said misconceptions, I kinda meant things that don't make sense or aren't as good as you put them out to be~
  
  

  About the two-hander situation~... Brionac, lol..
  Honestly, if you want good two-hander damage, actually use that Brionac and rank Spark to rank 1(assuming you can get it)
  Spark+Brionac has probably the highest possible damage rate in the game right now.

  
  
  There is really no way you can use Brionac regularly and pump out that much AP. It'll be rare for anyone to pull out their Brionac and use it for actual damage, or for elves to replace a 2H with that.
  
  

  Take advantage of it and either wear clothes or light armor, and use accessories as extra enchant slots! Dur!

  
  
  Clothes or light armor will always provide less def, and +shield on top of that won't equal heavy armor either. Also, accessories are expensive to repair if you don't want to burn -> enchant or have a high-ranked enchant on it.
  
  
  There were also some number calculations I weren't sure about, but I'm kinda tired to pull out formulas and calculators right now.
  
  

  On the positive side, you're always using a shield and have that much more potential for defense and PD. An elf with a shield and upgraded light armor can have more defense than a human with upgraded heavy armor dual wielding.
  You also get some PD to make up for the lack of heavy armor PD.

  
  
  Can, but probably won't.
  
  A dustin has 15% melee and 20% ranged PD as it is, if you take a kite shield and upgrade it even with gem, the most you can get is 11% melee or 13% ranged, if you focus on one.
  I'm not familiar in terms of armor upgrades, because I don't use armor, but heavy armor is the stronger armor for a reason. Even with shield def, you probably won't have more than heavy armor def.
  
  

  Melee for an elf is like range for a human, they trade off. Humans have to work harder to do good range damage, as elves have to work harder to do good melee damage. That's how it is.

  
  
  Like said before, humans have a much easier time with ranged than elves do with melee because they don't have any real penalties there. They have the basic ability for every area of combat. With the dex they can get from life skills and ranged skills, they can surpass elven ranged damage. It's much harder vice versa.
  
  
  
  
  
  I might've missed something, I was typing pretty fast.
• Zid wrote on 2010-08-21 00:12

  Quote from Kazuni;132254:

  Like said before, humans have a much easier time with ranged than elves do with melee because they don't have any real penalties there. They have the basic ability for every area of combat. With the dex they can get from life skills and ranged skills, they can surpass elven ranged damage. It's much harder vice versa.

  
  
  I think it's better of a comparison to compare Melee Elf with Mage Giant, discounting AP costs. But that's just me.
  
  At least the OP didn't compare Melee Elf with Ranged Giant.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-08-21 01:27

  Quote from Zid;132323:

  I think it's better of a comparison to compare Melee Elf with Mage Giant, discounting AP costs. But that's just me.
  
  At least the OP didn't compare Melee Elf with Ranged Giant.

  
  
  But Mage Giants don't really have any magic damage differences.
• Vanof wrote on 2010-08-21 04:41
  I'll back up that I believe melee elves are like ranged humans. Not that humans aren't meant for range, because it's well established that humans can do anything. But it's known that elves can much more easily do higher damage than a human with range, and in the end game will have a higher damage output.(in DPS terms)
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-21 04:43

  Quote from Vanof;132531:

  I'll back up that I believe melee elves are like ranged humans. Not that humans aren't meant for range, because it's well established that humans can do anything. But it's known that elves can much more easily do higher damage than a human with range, and in the end game will have a higher damage output.(in DPS terms)

  
  
  That's really just because of the double arrow...
  
  If elves could only shoot one arrow, the DPS would be similar. The dex gain from skills is too close.
  The only advantages they really have are the double arrow and slightly faster aim time. The 0.5 magnum load also helps.
• Chillax wrote on 2010-08-21 04:43

  Quote from Kazuni;132254:

  A dustin has 15% melee and 20% ranged PD as it is, if you take a kite shield and upgrade it even with gem, the most you can get is 11% melee or 13% ranged, if you focus on one.
  I'm not familiar in terms of armor upgrades, because I don't use armor, but heavy armor is the stronger armor for a reason. Even with shield def, you probably won't have more than heavy armor def.

  
  
  Actually, a fully upgraded Hetero Kite with gem upgrades can get 15% melee PD. An elf would probably do better to use a Beholder's Shield or a Dragon Shield.
  
  Heavy Armor will get you more defense that's shown in your Character window, especially when you factor in base defense from r1 Defense (5 less for elves), but if you factor in hidden defense from the shield, it'll be higher than the defense from Heavy Armor.
• Kazuni wrote on 2010-08-21 04:46

  Quote from Chillax;132534:

  Actually, a fully upgraded Hetero Kite with gem upgrades can get 15% melee PD. An elf would probably do better to use a Beholder's Shield or a Dragon Shield.
  
  Heavy Armor will get you more defense that's shown in your Character window, especially when you factor in base defense from r1 Defense (5 less for elves), but if you factor in hidden defense from the shield, it'll be higher than the defense from Heavy Armor.

  
  
  Then again, I'm just talking about the easier-to-obtain and common methods.
  I'm not familiar with melee anyways.
  
  But to get a dragon shield to make up for any defense lost due to heavy armor.. would be too much, imo.
  Buying a set of heavy armor...
  Buying a dragon shield...
  
  It's no contest, really.