Let's Talk: Lullaby, easy mob control with just a click of a button.

• Syliara wrote on 2014-04-23 12:37

  Quote from Phelline;1216798:

  Wow biased opinions everywhere. A mage with aoe skills that doesn't need any aggro control is complaining about a skill that saves single target based skillsets. Ofc you wouldn't need it, you're a freaking mage. The only use for lullaby is too allow for talents without powerful aoe to survive. If you can do any sort of aoe lullaby is basically useless other than a way to recover if you screw up. If you nerfed it or removed it every skillset without a form of aggro control, melee fighter range, have a whole heck of a harder time than puppets gunner mage and alch. Yeah lullaby didn't exist in the good old days, but everything was a pain in the ass
  to do and was slow as hell. Anything that helps me clear the repititive contents faster is ok in my books.

  
  
  Only one of those things has any real use for lullaby in the end you know. Not only that but fighter is continually thought of as a support skillset due to the complete lack of any aoe, and the cooldowns on the skills.
• Johny wrote on 2014-04-23 15:52
  People shouldn't be able to buff themselves with music skills, period. That is what I have against the music skills at the moment. Also with support shot.
• Kenero wrote on 2014-04-23 15:58
  The music skills is a great concept.
  
  But this is a game where you can be anything. Everyone has the potential to be a one man army with time and money spending, which ties to the lore of the game, in that milletians are basically on their paths to become the master race.
  
  However, gameplay wise, lullaby is useful in itself. What they need is an enemy that can use lullaby and battlefield overture for their group.
• Slayerj wrote on 2014-04-23 16:20
  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...
• Syliara wrote on 2014-04-23 16:26

  Quote from Slayerj;1216819:

  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...

  
  
  Hype tends to wear off pretty easily and fast :/
• Eiryie wrote on 2014-04-23 17:26

  Quote from Slayerj;1216819:

  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...

  
  
  *was never hyped for sing*
  Eiry doesn't like how it sounds.
• Jyu Viole Grace wrote on 2014-04-23 17:58

  Quote from Slayerj;1216819:

  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...

  
  
  I wasn't hyped. Was actually afraid of how broken sing could be, and even now if somehow instruments get nerfed but sing doesn't people would end up abusing it. All in all I think the Bard talent/skill set is probably the one of the strongest in the game for how extremely useful it has become.
• Phelline wrote on 2014-04-23 19:18

  Quote from Nui;1216799:

  Only one of those things has any real use for lullaby in the end you know. Not only that but fighter is continually thought of as a support skillset due to the complete lack of any aoe, and the cooldowns on the skills.

  
  
  
  Yup because windmill and crash shot work wonders. But early game it's really hard to play as those classes because of the lack of mob control.
• Zeo wrote on 2014-04-23 20:39

  Quote from Johny;1216816:

  People shouldn't be able to buff themselves with music skills, period. That is what I have against the music skills at the moment. Also with support shot.

  
  
  I quite disagree with you. I don't mind people buffing themselves with music skills, and this includes Lullaby, as long as they're using instrument or mic for it. Look at my post right below on how I don't exactly agree that you can use Sing without a mic to buff yourself.
  
  

  Quote from Slayerj;1216819:

  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...

  
  
  I'm one of those minors in the community that was against being able to buff yourself without needing an instrument or mic when Diva was introduced in Korea Mabi. xD
  
  

  Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1216833:

  I wasn't hyped. Was actually afraid of how broken sing could be, and even now if somehow instruments get nerfed but sing doesn't people would end up abusing it. All in all I think the Bard talent/skill set is probably the one of the strongest in the game for how extremely useful it has become.

  
  
  Yeeah, the benefit doesn't difference from playing instrument, and singing without the mic. Even if we did upgrade the instrument/mic to get more buff and duration, it's not that much compared to the micless singing. Starlet content pretty much made Bards overpowered because of the ability to buff yourself without any instruments/mics needed.
• Windyxflower wrote on 2014-04-23 21:18
  I didn' t really use bard until sing. I probably won' t use it if they get rid of it or badly nerf it. As exciting as it is to constantly switch weapons during combat, I like going in with what I want to use. It's why I enjoy merlin knuckles and the guard cylinder. It gives you more options without switching out a lot.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-04-24 05:41
  Everyone wants to be overpowered, then when everyone is overpowered, nobody is.
  
  
  Nexon uses Incredibles logic.
• Jyu Viole Grace wrote on 2014-04-24 19:57

  Quote from Aubog007;1216918:

  Everyone wants to be overpowered, then when everyone is overpowered, nobody is.
  
  
  Nexon uses Incredibles logic.

  
  
  Except not everyone is overpowered. Specifically in terms of skillsets. If everything was OP there would be no "best" skillset. Same with mobs, we need those to be overpowered too not just have a ton of HP and unfortunately that is the way nexon balances mobs. "Oh mobs are weak? lets give them more hp" Honestly that's just a bandaid fix to something that will sooner or later need a massive overhaul.
• Zekkii wrote on 2014-04-24 21:09

  Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1216985:

  Except not everyone is overpowered. Specifically in terms of skillsets. If everything was OP there would be no "best" skillset. Same with mobs, we need those to be overpowered too not just have a ton of HP and unfortunately that is the way nexon balances mobs. "Oh mobs are weak? lets give them more hp" Honestly that's just a bandaid fix to something that will sooner or later need a massive overhaul.

  
  Sorry I don't play Maplestory.
• Aubog007 wrote on 2014-04-27 05:03

  Quote from Jyu Viole Grace;1216985:

  Except not everyone is overpowered. Specifically in terms of skillsets. If everything was OP there would be no "best" skillset. Same with mobs, we need those to be overpowered too not just have a ton of HP and unfortunately that is the way nexon balances mobs. "Oh mobs are weak? lets give them more hp" Honestly that's just a bandaid fix to something that will sooner or later need a massive overhaul.

  
  
  Every skill set is OP endgame. Alchemy got megabuffed with hydra, magic megabuffed.
  
  This game can be cleared with any 2 skillsets solo. Hence everything is OP.
  
  
  For fucks sake, my fists have 300 max gearless, if i could special upgrade them, i would.
  
  And of course people are going to argue about what is the best. It's akin to paying someone 100 dollars for a 50 dollar bill and another going to pay 150. The end result is the same.
• Perfectio wrote on 2014-04-28 21:53

  Quote from Slayerj;1216819:

  I remember when everyone was so hyped for sing and being able to wreck stuff without needing an instrument to put things to sleep or buff them selves... What the hell happened to you people? Most of you got what you wanted then turned around to complain about it later...

  
  
  My reaction to Singing was one of abject horror.
  
  Also Equivalent, magic and alchemy needed a megabuff to not be utter trash tier. Still weaker than melee/range/puppet/gunner, though we can at least isolate the problem to Brokenfield OPerture now.
  
  What we really need is better role definition. This is a list of how I think we should rebalance the classes around defined strengths and weaknesses, rather than just shitting out damage.
  
  Puppet:
  
  +CC and mob manipulation
  -Damage (Take away Puppetry's STR/Dex scaling entirely, and if that doesn't kill its damage, then reduce the skill multipliers. Lower cooldowns a bit. Puppetry should have either CC or damage, not both.)
  
  Melee:
  +Knockback, tankiness, quickness and reliability
  -Average raw DPS (actually non-lance melee is pretty much like this now)
  
  Range:
  +Highest single target DPS in the game
  -Mediocre AOE (just nerf Crash Shot and range is perfect), risk of missing
  
  Gunner:
  +Massive burst damage and decent AOE
  -Unsafe (maybe raise SR and Frenzy cooldowns? to emphasize this? Seeing SR tends to put you in the middle of the mob), and takes time to ramp up (lower multipliers a bit, give more damage from stats?)
  
  Alchemy:
  +Lots of utility and mob management, highly versatile
  -Not much upfront damage except for a dedicated Water Cannon user
  
  Fighter:
  +Strong single target damage and lockdown potential
  +Easy to use
  
  -Almost no AOE potential
  -Prone to multiaggro
  -Easily interrupted
  
  Magic:
  +Highly versatile, strong AOE burst damage, solid single target damage
  -Long cast times in most cases, high resource usage (maybe tone down Firebolt but that's pretty much it)
  
  Bard:
  
  +Party Buffs
  -Probably needs something associated with actually playing the instrument, not tap the buff button until it appears then switch back to main weapon. Overture needs to be hit no matter what.