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[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Magic // 15th of January, 2015

Slayerj wrote on 2015-01-22 19:11

So this update made mob magic stronger/faster/do effects? Oh shit, they added some challenge! <3
willcaster wrote on 2015-01-22 19:15

why bolts keep getting buffs? Bolts are suppous to be for "noobs" once you get int magic ppl should use it mainly.

IS should add a slow effect
FB burning effect
Thun stuning effect
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-01-22 19:21

Quote from Rixx;1262460:
[SPOILER=Look who's OP!]

[Image: http://i.imgur.com/Cqn6yNW.jpg]

Giant Sprites : YES!!!

Source : Mabinogi Times[/spoiler]

WOOT!

I'm not exactly seeing it. Giant Ice Sprites already hit 1k with Ice Spear before and IS wasn't buffed in damage.

Quote from Kingofrunes;1262465:
I guess that means that Mobs were affected by this update xD

Just test Ceo Island Ice Sprites for their Icebolt and see if they debuff.

Also log in your pet and see if their Icebolt can debuff too.

Quote from Zekkii;1262488:
I could understand being offended if pots had a cool down or animation, but seeing how they're instant and accessable with no cooldown, it seems like it shouldn't matter.

It would be stupid if potions had a cooldown. They're already difficult to get and/or make and they also punish you for chugging too many.

Meanwhile, Mana Recovery, again, literally has no drawback.
JamesCook16 wrote on 2015-01-22 19:26

I usually go full mage all the time and i never have pots because i am way to lazy :x

I only run daily's...I have 760ish mp...and R1 Demi is my best friend :cheer:
Kelvas wrote on 2015-01-22 20:15

My two cents about Mana Recovery...

Response to Mana Recovery being OP:
Mana recovery does not increase speed, does not increase damage, does not give invincibly frames, does not weaken mobs, does not drop aggro, and does not harm monsters in any way, which is the trend of skills deemed overpowered (examples include, but not limited to lullaby, crisis escape, hydra, crisis, & blaze.)
It's main function is to save mages a few mana potions per run, and depending on choice of play style, it does not completely eradicate the need of MP pots (especially considering how versatile the new cc wand is). Right now, the usage of MP pots is higher for mages, and add on the same usage of HP pots as any other class in a given situation.

Response to Meditation uncapped as an alternative:
Uncapping meditation will not remedy the issues with mana usage, at least not with it's current limitations. Perhaps if the forced walking speed on non magical weapons were to be removed, and stamina gain increased from 0% to 25%, then I will concede that it will act as an efficient alternative. However, at the current stage, the skill usage is pretty much limited to people who are cheap with mana and will give up some versatility for low mana potion usage (Me. Hahahaha.), and pure mages. I also main gunner about half the time, so meditation becomes useless for me at that point.

And regarding magic revamp applying to monsters....
If 2 second fireballs are a thing now, then we are all screwed against ghosts and liches.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-01-22 20:15

Quote from Darkboy132;1262501:

Meanwhile, Mana Recovery, again, literally has no drawback.

Chaincast firebolt, one of the best dps, without any reductions takes me 26 MP, during night, no meditation.

Factoring in Book(Eweca+Palala)+reduction effect, AND meditation on, this is now reduced to 16. I wont have either of these on most of the time since I'm busy boosting my damage with hebona+damage equips, due to an incomplete accessory set. With just meditation it is 22 Mana.

Now, what most people FORGET, Factor in Vivace(which you also wont have since BFO takes precedent in parties) a 22.96% vivace with all the previous effects results in a 13 mana firebolt, resulting in just about a second and a third. Without the bonuses I'd be getting about a 18 mana firebolt, my normal.

Now, assuming I'm casting this off cooldown, about a rough second and a third(22.96% vivace, No reforge on the wand for cast speed, and 1000 Int resulting in a 1.355 second firebolt cast time), IT would take me with 896 mana approximately, at 26/22/18/13 respectively used in the division, 46.7/55.2/67.5/93.4 seconds to run out of mana and have to find regeneration. With a 3 minute cooldown I'd be out of mana in about two minutes normally in a rigourous run, and I've run with barely a pot in some of the lighter runs(~9 minute DFC2 runs with my scrub firebolt CASUALLY one shotting). This is discounting the fact that fireball/IS can take FAR more mana, you'll normally as an end-game mage have mana shield on because reforged ms>heavy armor esp when you're NEVER using anything but a karis wear.

TL;DR: Mana recovery is nice, yes they should have done something for meditation and said ANYTHING about mana shield(uncapping MS would make it overpowered beyond anything, it still outclasses heavy armor with the reforge+High matk, adding the r1 benefits would just be stupid levels of defense), but it still for most mages wont even come CLOSE to whats considered "Overpowered" amounts of regeneration.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-22 21:04

Thank you, to the two posters above me.

Clearly the people talking shit about Mana Recovery don't know jack crap about being a mage and are stuck in their own OP world.

Mana Recovery is a very good solution that doesn't require an entire rework of how the Mediation skill works which would take far more effort coding wise to change.

Not all skills need to be uncapped.

Frankly the magic update is fine as it is, less mana usage, more chances to use adv/int magics with instant cast's lower cooldown, and the last lightning advanced magic we've been missing for awhile. New enchants and wands/staves with special abilities further amplifies the effectiveness of this update. Overall, really looking forward to this update.

I'll try and checkout what happens with mobs out of my own curiosity, but I'm not going to give any guarantees. I don't have time to play a bajillion questions for a single forum member who loves to ask way too many questions. I'll test what I need to, to get the base information out there, for the KR Test team official thread which we are working on, and then test anything I'm curious about and then not go much further beyond that.
Tropa wrote on 2015-01-22 21:15

Quote from Slayerj;1262498:
So this update made mob magic stronger/faster/do effects? Oh shit, they added some challenge! <3

Oh no.
Kelvas wrote on 2015-01-22 21:21

Quote from Tropa;1262510:
Oh no.

[Image: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/094/b/6/kool_aid_man__oh_yeah__by_mrfletch1000-d4uytdq.jpg]

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge.

TBH, it won't change much if OHKO'ing monsters becomes even easier.
Kaeporo wrote on 2015-01-22 21:21

Quote from Kingofrunes;1262508:
Thank you, to the two posters above me.

Clearly the people talking shit about Mana Recovery don't know jack crap about being a mage and are stuck in their own OP world.

Mana Recovery is a very good solution that doesn't require an entire rework of how the Mediation skill works which would take far more effort coding wise to change.

Not all skills need to be uncapped.

Frankly the magic update is fine as it is, less mana usage, more chances to use adv/int magics with instant cast's lower cooldown, and the last lightning advanced magic we've been missing for awhile. New enchants and wands/staves with special abilities further amplifies the effectiveness of this update. Overall, really looking forward to this update.

I'll try and checkout what happens with mobs out of my own curiosity, but I'm not going to give any guarantees. I don't have time to play a bajillion questions for a single forum member who loves to ask way too many questions. I'll test what I need to, to get the base information out there, and then test anything I'm curious about and then not go much further beyond that.

Mana Recovery is a solution to a non-existent problem. Having capped pretty much everything, with magic being one of my main talents, I have to say that it's been the easiest talent from cradle to grave. There are tons of ways to mitigate mana consumption; Mana Recovery doesn't concern me. What does concern me, is DevCat's continued lack of vision. Are they purposely leaving certain skills fucked up so they can push out yet another future talent overhaul instead of releasing new shit for us to do besides mindlessly grind new skills?

I don't use Firebolt...so I very rarely have issues with mana. Firebolt is an exceptionally simple skill that's easy to use, easy to gear, and extremely effective. What limits its strength are the excessive durability consumption (not the actual repair fees, fuck anyone who complains about those) and the mana consumption. I would say that tactics which reward players for primate-level skill shouldn't exist but then Final Hit happened, so...
Tropa wrote on 2015-01-22 21:33

Quote from Kelvas;1262511:

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge.

TBH, it won't change much if OHKO'ing monsters becomes even easier.

Yeah I know.

Challenge is officially my trigger word now.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-22 21:55

Quote from Kaeporo;1262512:
Mana Recovery is a solution to a non-existent problem. Having capped pretty much everything, with magic being one of my main talents, I have to say that it's been the easiest talent from cradle to grave. There are tons of ways to mitigate mana consumption; Mana Recovery doesn't concern me. What does concern me, is DevCat's continued lack of vision. Are they purposely leaving certain skills fucked up so they can push out yet another future talent overhaul instead of releasing new shit for us to do besides mindlessly grind new skills?

I don't use Firebolt...so I very rarely have issues with mana. Firebolt is an exceptionally simple skill that's easy to use, easy to gear, and extremely effective. What limits its strength are the excessive durability consumption (not the actual repair fees, fuck anyone who complains about those) and the mana consumption. I would say that tactics which reward players for primate-level skill shouldn't exist but then Final Hit happened, so...

Well as a person focused more on providing information, I'm going to try looking more on the positive side of things to get myself and maybe others excited for the changes. We'll see where devcat takes this. I'm past the point of caring at this point. All I care about is if devcat does anything that catches my attention for 2 weeks xD. Be it a shiny new gach/outfit/pet or polishing up an old skillset and chucking a couple new shiny skills in there.

Game is going down the drain in terms of content and challenge, may as well suck in w/e they throw at us cause I guarantee you I'll play that shit when it comes to NA for 2 weeks and then stop playing as that's what seems to be happening for me lately.

So if something is OP meh, let it be OP. Not like it matters at this point. I'll enjoy it for 2-4 weeks either way *yawn*

If you want my honest opinion, complain all you want and stress yourself out about devcat fudging up another update. All you are doing is making yourself more miserable expecting something super awesome perfect. Your lives would be far happier if you spent less time complaining and throwing shit at devcat and enjoy the content they shove down the pipes. I'd rather leave it to the Korean players to complain to devcat to fix stuff. If enough koreans complain then maybe devcat will change it, otherwise the games decrease in population will speak for itself.
Esileruf wrote on 2015-01-22 22:00

Quote from Kaeporo;1262512:
Are they purposely leaving certain skills fucked up so they can push out yet another future talent overhaul instead of releasing new shit for us to do besides mindlessly grind new skills?

Adding new and flashy things is far easier than the task that it would take to actually make mabi "good."
A full rehaul of the damn 10 year engine, Which is would be RAD, but for the past few teams who've been running around like headless chicken, there's as little point hoping for that than to hope that HL3 comes out.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2015-01-22 22:03

Quote from Esileruf;1262518:
Adding new and flashy things is far easier than the task that it would take to actually make mabi "good."
A full rehaul of the damn 10 year engine, Which is would be RAD, but for the past few teams who've been running around like headless chicken, there's as little point hoping for that than to hope that HL3 comes out.

If more people realized that, they would see why it's not a simple matter of changing this and that. They are part of a big publishing company with deadlines to meet. By the sounds of their interviews, they only have so much time to do x and y thing before being shuffling along to the next thing.

At the end of the day Nexon is a business and they are going to do what they think will make them more money.
Traw wrote on 2015-01-22 22:05

Yag bag

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