[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• Citrusjuice wrote on 2015-02-06 15:35
  where the magnum revolver at :whisper:?
  
  If aiming speed is updated, shouldn't using crash shot show a huge difference?
  
  CD on new skill urgent shot?
  
  Also does it affect SoG?
  
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  seeing the slowing trend in new skills, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of ice arrow
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-02-06 16:47
  Well, this could be promising.
  I'll be back in a week anyways, that's when they'll likely refine the update and hopefully give what its missing right now.
  [video=youtube;Ec-8A5k16Ak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-8A5k16Ak[/video]
• revdb wrote on 2015-02-06 17:08
  I should rank refine...
• Rixx wrote on 2015-02-06 17:16

  Quote from Citrusjuice;1264199:

  where the magnum revolver at :whisper:?
  
  If aiming speed is updated, shouldn't using crash shot show a huge difference?
  
  CD on new skill urgent shot?
  
  Also does it affect SoG?
  
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  seeing the slowing trend in new skills, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of ice arrow

  
  
  Aiming speed is not updated.
  Here's what devCAT really did.
  
  They reduced failure rate for aiming percentage.
  For example, at 80% aim, you'd have 20% chance to miss.
  As to my understanding, they're saying they reduced that 20% down to some magical number.
  
  The problem is, players don't really feel the difference.
  
  
  For the new skill Urgent Shot, it was only mentioned as part of Developer's notes.
  There are no details about the skill yet.
  
  
  I'd expect to see more changes because of the feedback in KR right now.
  Majority of players are saying the revamp sucks, but they have different opinions about the direction of the revamp.
  
  This is very interesting.
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-02-06 17:39
  Early on in the game I de-ranked all my archery skills from 1 to F for 2 reasons: lack of archery skills, and the aiming system.
  Back then there weren't any mastery skills, no crash shot or any of that fancy stuff, so 1 of the 2 reasons is solved at least, but that aiming counter was just the most annoying thing ever.
  
  I haven't touched a bow since that day so I can't comment any more than that, but any improvement of aiming would be most welcome, though I still don't intend to ever touch another bow, unless it's to rank skills for stats.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-06 17:59

  Quote from Rixx;1264190:

  Here's my opinion, more like a suggestion for devCAT.
  

  • Remove Aiming System if you are within 1/4 range of your bow/crossbow's maximum range. e.g. 2000 range bow, you can hit at 100% within 500 range, with no aiming.
    
  • Add 0.5~1 second waiting time when you target an enemy. This can solve "omg no delay 100% shots too op".

  
  
  It's a good idea, but it has one problem: point-blank walling. Pinning someone to a wall and then constantly hitting them with Magnum Shot while in the 500 range can be very broken.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-02-06 18:10

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264210:

  It's a good idea, but it has one problem: point-blank walling. Pinning someone to a wall and then constantly hitting them with Magnum Shot while in the 500 range can be very broken.

  
  
  [FONT="Arial"]You must think gunner is very broken then.[/FONT]
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-06 18:24

  Quote from Bunny;1264211:

  [FONT="Arial"]You must think gunner is very broken then.[/FONT]

  
  
  Only WotG is broken; Gunner is slow and causes very brief flinching. Ninja normal attacks are somewhat cheap for causing constant knockback but it's very weak and its low stun gives no opportunity to full charge a Shuriken Charge, not to mention it has a long cooldown.
  
  Magnum Shot on the other hand is relatively fast to use, has a 0.5~1.5 sec cooldown, and causes a knockdown which is very long. By the time the walled opponent gets up, they'll be immediately hit with another Magnum.
• Bunny wrote on 2015-02-06 18:47
  [FONT="Arial"]>Gunner is slow
  
  What?
  
  You must not main archery, because it takes a while to aim/load up another magnum after your opponent gets KB'd when you're a human. That's already a huge disadvantage, especially when you miss. Even with what Rixx suggested, I personally don't see a problem with being able to hit the opponent again shortly after they are knocked back. Gunner is extremely fast. Before I finish killing one NPC at the boss round, a gunner is already starting on their second target. I'm sure this can still apply even if Rixx's proposal was added.[/FONT]
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-06 18:49

  Quote from Rixx;1264190:

  There's a lot of controversy in KR regarding aiming system.
  Basically it's Remove Aiming Please vs Aiming Should Stay.
  I'll try to summarise both sides' points and give my opinion.
  
  Remove Aiming Please
  

  • Aiming system is obsolete, Dual Guns and Ninja skills can hit without aiming.
    
  • Mages have greater control over their Mana pool, their penalty regarding Mana scarcity is almost non-existent.
    
  • Monsters move. Shooting at 100% is near impossible unless you're soloing at a very slow speed.

  
  
  Aiming Should Stay
  

  • Removing aiming system is stupid. Archery is already OP.
    
  • Imagine shooting at distance 2700 with almost no delay, at 100%.

  
  
  
  Here's my opinion, more like a suggestion for devCAT.
  

  • Remove Aiming System if you are within 1/4 range of your bow/crossbow's maximum range. e.g. 2000 range bow, you can hit at 100% within 500 range, with no aiming.
    
  • Add 0.5~1 second waiting time when you target an enemy. This can solve "omg no delay 100% shots too op".

  
  
  
  The reason for posting this is because I want to hear what you guys think on this topic.
  Do you think Aiming System needs a rework? Or should it stay the way it is on KR Test?

  
  
  
  
  Remove aiming
  It's true is obsolete
  It's slow
  Lag hits harder in this
  Increase CD for balance
  This would mean skill rotations instade of spaming 1 only skill
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  Archery is broken with super especific reforge/combocard set... this should be nerfed
  
  Gunner is fast and super strong with enough stats (my attack is 1150 with goldendowras and barely 800 with bdkb)
  basically u r a grasshoper
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  The new "ohshitimissed" skill will be really fun with arrow revolver
• Noctuneko wrote on 2015-02-06 18:51
  Why not just add damage multipliers to the aim meter? it would seem fair and makes sense the longer you aim the more dmg you can deal, exchange speed for dmg, give it versatility, i mean archers are snipers afterall... and personally i wouldn't mind missing as much if that was the case.
  
  I dont really understand what direction they're trying to take archery.
  
  Also, does the support shot effect lasts for one single melee hit only? or is it a temporary status on the target?
• Zeo wrote on 2015-02-06 19:11

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264166:

  
  What... Why is Human's Support Shot faster than Elves' Support Shot...?

  
  
  Agreed. Humans already get AR, and it should be enough for the benefit that humans get.
  
  So far... the archery renovation seems meh... but that might change next week.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-06 19:18

  Quote from Bunny;1264213:

  [FONT="Arial"]>Gunner is slow
  
  What?
  
  You must not main archery, because it takes a while to aim/load up another magnum after your opponent gets KB'd when you're a human. That's already a huge disadvantage, especially when you miss. Even with what Rixx suggested, I personally don't see a problem with being able to hit the opponent again shortly after they are knocked back. Gunner is extremely fast. Before I finish killing one NPC at the boss round, a gunner is already starting on their second target. I'm sure this can still apply even if Rixx's proposal was added.[/FONT]

  
  
  Are we or are we not talking about WotG? Because that shit is horribly broken. Gunner OUTSIDE of WotG is not fast; it has notoriously long animations that is pretty much on par with close combat's speed, which partially contributes to Grapple Shot's and Bullet Slide's uselessness. As I've said before, Gunner normal shots contribute to a very very short stun with a long time to refire. I seriously doubt Gunner can effectively kill a boss round NPC without using WotG.
  
  I don't main archery, however I can immediately reload Magnum by the time the enemy hits the ground, as a human. It doesn't take more than a second to double click the enemy. 500% damage every ~2 seconds is pretty high, especially when Smash, Flash Launcher, Shuriken Charge, etc. don't compare.
  
  

  Quote from Noctuneko;1264216:

  Also, does the support shot effect lasts for one single melee hit only? or is it a temporary status on the target?

  
  
  Currently, it's both a temporary status and lasts one hit.
  
  
  Do mobs still aggro when you aim at them?
• Holylight wrote on 2015-02-06 19:20
  I'm liking that crossbow change.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-06 19:28

  [Mirage Missile]
  - You can now finish an enemy with infection. Holy ****.

  
  
  Please for the love of god, before doing that FIX THE DAMN GLITCH! It's going to contribute even further to trolling and also penalize our blessings and exp.