[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-07 13:24

  Quote from Rixx;1264323:

  Developers are people who maintain the system, naturally they know more than players and care more.

  
  
  The collective player base for most games completely dwarfs the number of developers, with certain title's player bases having spent billions of hours playing the game. The majority of development teams hardly seem to care about the direction their games head. I'll cite Bioware as being one of the only dev teams to know what's up.
  
  I did read up on the changes to throwing attack but I don't expect to see high usage based on the investment required compared to something like Firebolt.
  
  

  Quote from Zeo;1264324:

  Here is some of my feedbacks.
  
  Aiming Changes: I don't really see any difference... it's still shit like usual. Grade F
  
  Crossbow Changes: Good change... but I still can see people preferring long-ranged bow over this. Grade C-
  
  Mirage Missile: decreasing the movement speed even more, plus killing mobs from residual damage is good... but I kinda wonder how much have they improved with Mirage Missile in term of damage... if it's still crap, then no one will really use it like usual. Grade D+
  
  Final Shot: No duration decrease via teleportation, doesn't cancel via knock-down, and cooldown is decreased slightly... it's a good change... but still quite useless for most of the situations. Grade C-
  
  Spider Shot: The cooldown is decreased from 35 seconds into 15 seconds and you can get the spider traps from general shop... a huge improvement... although I can see certain users in Mabination/Nexon forums start to QQ how OP the spider shot will be now like usual especially since you can use Shuriken for spider shot, comboing in Shadow Bind and Spider Shot. Grade B+
  
  Support Shot: The effect duration is increased and the effect is more visible... that's an improvement... my only complaint is that why does humans get more benefit in this than elves? Humans have AR and AR should be the only benefit that humans have in term of archery. Grade C-
  
  Throwing Attack: Why is this even being buffed? This only proves that DevCat love to kiss asses up to the giants like they have been for past few generations. Grade F
  
  Urgent Shot: I can see this being very useful... but like some users said... I hope this is not the only new archery skill. Grade A-
  
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  For overall... I rate the first phase of archery renovation D or D+ because it seem like elves still get crapped out again like usual, and they're giving humans and giants more unnecessary attentions once again when elves are the one that needed it the most. Also.. why the hell isn't archery skills in their own skill tab yet?
  
  Hopefully the next phase will be a huge improvement.

  
  
  I agree. This patch didn't fix shit. Aiming isn't any better, Final Shot still doesn't do anything, and ain't nobody got time for Mirage Missile. I support the changes made to support shot but I'm still hoping for another archery skill, various exclusive buffs to elf archery, and quality of life fixes.
  
  In a perfect world they would take this opportunity to kill two birds with one stone; which is to say, adding better ammo to handicraft.
• Rixx wrote on 2015-02-07 13:52
  Basically, this patch...
  It is a revamp, for the better, but the dev team is doing it wrong.
  
  I hope they fix it up next week.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-02-07 15:13

  Quote from Rixx;1264332:

  Basically, this patch...
  It is a revamp, for the better, but the dev team is doing it wrong.
  
  I hope they fix it up next week.

  
  
  I hope they leave Throwing Attack out of it. It's already powerful and why do they need to make it even more powerful? I guess devCat are so mind-set on making giants being best with everything.
• DefinitelyNotTwin wrote on 2015-02-07 15:27
  Does Javelin receive special upgrades/ extra range upgrades?
  
  Edit:OH,and can Giants finally go Archer?
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-02-07 16:22
  Throwing attack is god awful, I'm glad it received a buff.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-07 17:24

  Quote from Rixx;1264323:

  [SIZE="6"]Giant Javelin Revamp, is this normal??[/SIZE]
  
  [Giant Archer]
  Javelin 650 Damage, Throwing Rank 1 900%, Throwing Master +10%, Gloves Reforge 200%, Elemental 6 Level
  Javelin 650 * [ ( 900 + 200 ) * 1.1 ] * 1.55 = 12,190

  
  
  [SIZE="7"]GIANTS MASTER RACE... A-FUCKING-GAIN.[/SIZE]
  
  

  Quote from Zeo;1264338:

  I hope they leave Throwing Attack out of it. It's already powerful and why do they need to make it even more powerful? I guess devCat are so mind-set on making giants being best with everything.

  
  
  If TA is powerful, then why does no one use it...?
  
  Though if it potentially gets on par with Bhafel Hunter, that would definitely be broken.
• Kentngo wrote on 2015-02-07 17:58
  What's the new Strength to Max Damage on Atlatls right now?
  
  If it's 3.5, okay, understandable I guess. If it's 2.5 then something's up.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-02-07 18:03

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264352:

  If TA is powerful, then why does no one use it...?

  
  Because of that ungodly cooldown and I'm really glad they changed it. Damage buff wasn't really needed, but as Giant player I can't be upset about that;)
• Avino wrote on 2015-02-07 18:31

  Quote from Rixx;1264323:

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  [SIZE="6"]Giant Javelin Revamp, is this normal??[/SIZE]
  
  
  Title was something I wanted to say to the developers, you don't have to mind it.
  Developers and players are different. Developers are people who maintain the system, naturally they know more than players and care more.
  However I'd like to point out that current test server's Javelin patch is abnormally unbalanced.
  
  
  
  Let's compare Giant Archer and Human Archer.
  
  [Giant Archer]
  Javelin 650 Damage, Throwing Rank 1 900%, Throwing Master +10%, Gloves Reforge 200%, Elemental 6 Level
  Javelin 650 * [ ( 900 + 200 ) * 1.1 ] * 1.55 = 12,190
  
  [Human Archer]
  Bhafel Set 850 Damage, Magnum Shot 500%, No master title bonus, Gloves Reforge 200%, Accessories 60%, Bohemian 15%, Elemental 6 Level
  Bhafel Hunter 850 * ( 500 + 200 + 60 ) * 1.15 (huntress) * 1.7 (Elemental + Bohemian) = 12,629
  
  
  
  Surprisingly, Giant and Human Archers have similar damage output. (There is Piercing Level 2 for Bhafel, but Bhafel Hunter has Effective Range of 2000 and Javelin has 2400, so I'll disregard their pros and cons in this analysis.)
  
  Considering Elf and Human Arhcers have similar damage,
  does this mean Human Magnum = Elf Magnum = Giant Throwing????
  
  I'm starting to doubt the Developers' sanity at this point.
  
  
  
  Disregarding possible max damage output, if we consider DPS (Damage Per Second) there is more gap. Elf has Magnum Shot cooldown of 0.5 second, so we'll exclude Elves.
  
  DPS gap opens widely depending on whether Human Archer shoots faster than Javelin's 4 seconds cooldown.
  
  Human Archer's Magnum Shot has 1.5 second cooldown, but if the aiming time exceeds 2.5 seconds, it's not even better than Giant's Throwing Attack.
  
  
  
  Giant's Throwing Attack is at 99% right after loading. When we calculate the distance for Human Archers to reach 99% Aim at 2.5 seconds, we can conclude that it is at 1/4 distance of the bow's maximum Effective Range, give or take a bit.
  (Approximately 8 seconds from maximum distance, 4 seconds at 1/2 distance, 2.8 seconds at 1/4 distance, 1.3 second at point blank.)
  
  The widely-used bow Bhafel Hunter and Black Dragon Knight's Bows have Effective Range of 2000, therefore Human Archers are only advantageous over Giant Archers if they are within 500 units of distance, other than that Giants will always be better than Human Archers.
  For a Human Archer to be advantageous than Giant Archers, they always have to shoot below 99% Aim, so we can conclude that they can never escape the stress of missed shots.
  
  I thought this kind of patch is very illogical and abnormal, so I wrote this up.
  
  
  
  Source: http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?id=forum&no=950
  
  
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  Last i check elemental doesnt affect throwing attk dmge, maybe they changed it.. but my throwing did the same dmge with ele 4 Atlatl and a clean one. My wm dmge did increase with ele 4 tho
• Jake wrote on 2015-02-07 18:48

  Quote from Avino;1264362:

  Last i check elemental doesnt affect throwing attk dmge, maybe they changed it.. but my throwing did the same dmge with ele 4 Atlatl and a clean one. My wm dmge did increase with ele 4 tho

  
  
  Unless they change it in this update you're right it doesn't apply
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-07 19:08

  Quote from Rixx;1264323:

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  [SIZE="6"]Giant Javelin Revamp, is this normal??[/SIZE]
  
  
  Title was something I wanted to say to the developers, you don't have to mind it.
  Developers and players are different. Developers are people who maintain the system, naturally they know more than players and care more.
  However I'd like to point out that current test server's Javelin patch is abnormally unbalanced.
  
  
  
  Let's compare Giant Archer and Human Archer.
  
  [Giant Archer]
  Javelin 650 Damage, Throwing Rank 1 900%, Throwing Master +10%, Gloves Reforge 200%, Elemental 6 Level
  Javelin 650 * [ ( 900 + 200 ) * 1.1 ] * 1.55 = 12,190
  
  [Human Archer]
  Bhafel Set 850 Damage, Magnum Shot 500%, No master title bonus, Gloves Reforge 200%, Accessories 60%, Bohemian 15%, Elemental 6 Level
  Bhafel Hunter 850 * ( 500 + 200 + 60 ) * 1.15 (huntress) * 1.7 (Elemental + Bohemian) = 12,629
  
  
  
  Surprisingly, Giant and Human Archers have similar damage output. (There is Piercing Level 2 for Bhafel, but Bhafel Hunter has Effective Range of 2000 and Javelin has 2400, so I'll disregard their pros and cons in this analysis.)
  
  Considering Elf and Human Arhcers have similar damage,
  does this mean Human Magnum = Elf Magnum = Giant Throwing????
  
  I'm starting to doubt the Developers' sanity at this point.
  
  
  
  Disregarding possible max damage output, if we consider DPS (Damage Per Second) there is more gap. Elf has Magnum Shot cooldown of 0.5 second, so we'll exclude Elves.
  
  DPS gap opens widely depending on whether Human Archer shoots faster than Javelin's 4 seconds cooldown.
  
  Human Archer's Magnum Shot has 1.5 second cooldown, but if the aiming time exceeds 2.5 seconds, it's not even better than Giant's Throwing Attack.
  
  
  
  Giant's Throwing Attack is at 99% right after loading. When we calculate the distance for Human Archers to reach 99% Aim at 2.5 seconds, we can conclude that it is at 1/4 distance of the bow's maximum Effective Range, give or take a bit.
  (Approximately 8 seconds from maximum distance, 4 seconds at 1/2 distance, 2.8 seconds at 1/4 distance, 1.3 second at point blank.)
  
  The widely-used bow Bhafel Hunter and Black Dragon Knight's Bows have Effective Range of 2000, therefore Human Archers are only advantageous over Giant Archers if they are within 500 units of distance, other than that Giants will always be better than Human Archers.
  For a Human Archer to be advantageous than Giant Archers, they always have to shoot below 99% Aim, so we can conclude that they can never escape the stress of missed shots.
  
  I thought this kind of patch is very illogical and abnormal, so I wrote this up.
  
  
  
  Source: http://www.mabinogi.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?id=forum&no=950
  
  
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  and I quote...
  
  

  Quote from ReFuSeR;1264157:

  
  inb4giantsrulerange
  

• Elleanior wrote on 2015-02-07 20:01
  OMG Giants having slow ranged attacks on par with human and elf's fast ranged attacks? SACRE BLEU!!
  
  Looks neat so far, but I'm not really into ranged on this game.
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-07 21:00

  Quote from Zeo;1264324:

  
  Throwing Attack: Why is this even being buffed? This only proves that DevCat love to kiss asses up to the giants like they have been for past few generations. Grade F
  

  
  
  This ^
  
  It's rly fun how that skill only needs str (giant stat orientated) with 900% dmg, 99%aiming and its cd got loweres.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-07 21:01

  Quote from Kaeporo;1261789:

  Alright. I'm going to try to predict the changes which DevCat will make to the archery talent.
  
  [S]Giants can now access the archery talent; accessible skills have numerous drawbacks.
  
  Skills that fall under the archer talent are moved under a new "archery" tab.
  
  New Archery Skills:
  
  Semi-Passive: Focus
  - Increases accuracy/movement speed while active
  - Requires ranged weapon
  
  Active: Explosive Shot/Spread Shot/Arrow Rain[/S]
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  Existing Archery Skills:
  
  Ranged Attack (Elf):[S]
  
  Aim Speed is increased to 300%.
  Now deals 150% damage per arrow.
  [/S]
  Magnum Shot:[S]
  
  Max Aim Duration reduced to 5 seconds.
  Magnum Shot now has a chance to debuff the enemy based on the player's race (40% Human, 60% Elf)
  
  Bows inflict bleeding damage
  Crossbows decrease the opponent's defense and protection[/S]
  
  Spider Shot:[S]
  No longer requires spider traps.
  Critical damage raised to 50%.
  Target is no longer broken out of the trap by attacks.[/S]
  
  Crash Shot:[S]
  Cooldown reduced to 3 seconds.[/S]
  
  Arrow Revolver:
  [S]Damage further raised to 125% > 150% > 175% > 200% > 250% (900%)[/S]
  
  Mirage Missile:[S]
  Initial damage raised to 400%
  Shock damage increased by magic attack with a 5.0 coefficient[/S]
  Skill slows infected targets by 40%
  
  Final Shot:
  [S]Load Time removed.[/S]
  Skill is not cancelled if knocked back or down.
  [S]Increases damage of archery skills by 200% or some silly shit.[/S]
  
  Magic Missile:
  [S]Cooldown reduced to 5 seconds.
  
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  New Weapons:
  
  Bows:
  Celtic Compound Bow
  Celtic Royal Compound Bow
  
  Crossbows:
  Celtic Repeater
  Celtic Royal Repeater
  
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  New Enchants:
  
  5~8 new enchants for ranged weapons[/S]
  
  Arrow Revolver pages no longer expire.
  [S]The seal merchant now sells Arrow Revolver pages.[/S]

  
  
  So far most of these haven't happened lol
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-07 21:04

  Quote from willcaster;1264379:

  This ^
  
  It's rly fun how that skill only needs str (giant stat orientated) with 900% dmg, 99%aiming and its cd got loweres.

  
  
  It's absolutely amazing isn't it? I am loving this update.