[Mabinogi KR Test] Renovation Update - Ranged Combat // 12th of Feburary, 2015

• Zekkii wrote on 2015-02-07 21:27
  You guys are literally racist against a fictional race in a video game. When's the last time you seen a giant using Throwing Attack? You know, that skill that:
  
  -requires a weapon and ammo devoted to solely its own use and no other skill
  -has a 7 second cooldown, making it slower to refire than any full charge magic
  -scales str as if it were a dual-stat skill but it isn't
  -doesn't utilize elemental reforges
  -can't use special upgrades
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-07 21:33

  Quote from Zekkii;1264385:

  You guys are literally racist against a fictional race in a video game. When's the last time you seen a giant using Throwing Attack? You know, that skill that:
  
  -requires a weapon and ammo devoted to solely its own use and no other skill
  -has a 7 second cooldown, making it slower to refire than any full charge magic
  -scales str as if it were a dual-stat skill but it isn't
  -doesn't utilize elemental reforges
  -can't use special upgrades

  
  
  Well... The 7 second cooldown doesn't matter when the attack is instant as is
  The str scaling is literally op as hell for giants (the people that can use it)
  "Requires a weapon and ammo devoted to its own use and no other skill" I Mean... that speaks for alot of skills
  It does utilize Elemental Reforges.... sooo idk what you're trying to point out there
  and it may not use special upgrades now, but we can't speak any further on the topic until we see if they allow special upgrades in this revamp.
  
  Basically what i'm saying is its not racist to feel that giants do not need any further buffs. I'm sure you can agree they are plenty powerful (everyone adores them) so buffing them through the roof seems pretty pointless.
• Rixx wrote on 2015-02-07 21:36

  Quote from DefinitelyNotTwin;1264339:

  Does Javelin receive special upgrades/ extra range upgrades?
  
  Edit:OH,and can Giants finally go Archer?

  
  
  Yes, they do receive those updates.
  
  
  

  Quote from Kentngo;1264358:

  What's the new Strength to Max Damage on Atlatls right now?
  
  If it's 3.5, okay, understandable I guess. If it's 2.5 then something's up.

  
  
  It's been reported that it is 1 Max Damage per 3 STR.
  Currently it is 1 per 5 STR.
  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264380:

  So far most of these haven't happened lol

  
  
  Hahahahahaha.... (Sad face)
  
  
  

  Quote from Aeribella;1264387:

  Well... The 7 second cooldown doesn't matter when the attack is instant as is

  
  
  Now it's 4 seconds cooldown.
  OP.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-07 21:39

  Quote from Rixx;1264388:

  It's been reported that it is 1 Max Damage per 3 STR.
  Currently it is 1 per 5 STR.

  
  
  What's the min damage scaling?
• Osayidan wrote on 2015-02-07 21:43

  Quote from Zekkii;1264385:

  You guys are literally racist against a fictional race in a video game. When's the last time you seen a giant using Throwing Attack?

  
  
  That mofo giant NPC that sometimes spawns in grandmaster battle missions. He spams that skill like it's about to go out of style, and it's already deadly without this update (mainly because he doesn't respect the cooldown time).
• Tyskiyomy wrote on 2015-02-07 21:46

  Quote from Zekkii;1264385:

  You guys are literally racist against a fictional race in a video game. When's the last time you seen a giant using Throwing Attack? You know, that skill that:
  
  -requires a weapon and ammo devoted to solely its own use and no other skill
  -has a 7 second cooldown, making it slower to refire than any full charge magic
  -scales str as if it were a dual-stat skill but it isn't
  -doesn't utilize elemental reforges
  -can't use special upgrades

  
  
  They don't want someone to be stronger than they are and them not be able to anything about it because of race restrictions
  [SIZE="1"]JK don't kill me ;([/SIZE]
• Rixx wrote on 2015-02-07 21:47
  Minimum Damage scaling is approximately 5 str to 1.
  Come to think of it, they said something about Giant's Throwing Attack being balance 40%.
• ReFuSeR wrote on 2015-02-07 21:48

  Quote from Zekkii;1264385:

  You guys are literally racist against a fictional race in a video game.

  
  :)
  
  
  
  Race change event anyone?
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-07 21:51

  Quote from Aeribella;1264387:

  Well... The 7 second cooldown doesn't matter when the attack is instant as is
  The str scaling is literally op as hell for giants (the people that can use it)
  "Requires a weapon and ammo devoted to its own use and no other skill" I Mean... that speaks for alot of skills
  It does utilize Elemental Reforges.... sooo idk what you're trying to point out there
  and it may not use special upgrades now, but we can't speak any further on the topic until we see if they allow special upgrades in this revamp.
  
  Basically what i'm saying is its not racist to feel that giants do not need any further buffs. I'm sure you can agree they are plenty powerful (everyone adores them) so buffing them through the roof seems pretty pointless.

  
  
  Throwing Attack requires an exclusive weapon that limits access to other, more useful skills. It can only either be useless or overpowered.
  
  It would be ideal to afford Giants additional archery skills (heavily nerfed, of course) instead of buffing up Throwing Attack.
  
  Crash Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Damage: 200%
  Cooldown: 6 seconds
  
  Support Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Additional Damage: 40%
  Cooldown: 3 seconds
  
  Spider Shot
  Immobilization Time: 8 seconds
  Cooldown: 20 seconds
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-07 21:57

  Quote from Kaeporo;1264397:

  Throwing Attack requires an exclusive weapon that limits access to other, more useful skills. It can only either be useless or overpowered.
  
  It would be ideal to afford Giants additional archery skills (heavily nerfed, of course) instead of buffing up Throwing Attack.
  
  Crash Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Damage: 200%
  Cooldown: 6 seconds
  
  Support Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Additional Damage: 40%
  Cooldown: 3 seconds
  
  Spider Shot
  Immobilization Time: 8 seconds
  Cooldown: 20 seconds

  
  
  99% aiming speed?
  
  Race change event anyone? yes pls giant: high str, def, hp, prot and now 99% instant aiming speed
  
  ---this is just a joke---
• Aeribella wrote on 2015-02-07 22:01

  Quote from Kaeporo;1264397:

  Throwing Attack requires an exclusive weapon that limits access to other, more useful skills. It can only either be useless or overpowered.
  
  It would be ideal to afford Giants additional archery skills (heavily nerfed, of course) instead of buffing up Throwing Attack.
  
  Crash Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Damage: 200%
  Cooldown: 6 seconds
  
  Support Shot - Requires atatl/javelin
  Additional Damage: 40%
  Cooldown: 3 seconds
  
  Spider Shot
  Immobilization Time: 8 seconds
  Cooldown: 20 seconds

  
  
  I'd be 100% cool with that idea IF they gave elves a variation of lancing. Preferably with Rapiers. Otherwise nah, they don't need more buffs that give more str stats or dex when they are already peachy keen as is.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-02-07 22:13

  Quote from willcaster;1264398:

  99% aiming speed?
  
  Race change event anyone? yes pls giant: high str, def, hp, prot and now 99% instant aiming speed
  
  ---this is just a joke---

  
  
  I totally forget about Giants having a different aiming system. They would have to rework that as well.
  
  Edit(1):
  
  Existing Throwing Attack is renamed to Magnum Shot or equivalent.
  
  New Throwing Attack now aims like Ranged Attack. Aim Speed at Rank 1 is 200%.
  
  Max Accuracy vs running target: 80%
  Max Accuracy vs walking target: 90%
  Max Accuracy vs standing target: 99%
  
  Done. Jeez, game balance sure is tough. It's almost like I didn't think that up in like a minute.
  
  ---
  
  I'm really hoping that the next update drops Magic Missile down to 5 seconds.
• willcaster wrote on 2015-02-07 22:37

  Quote from Kaeporo;1264401:

  I totally forget about Giants having a different aiming system. They would have to rework that as well.
  
  Edit(1):
  
  Existing Throwing Attack is renamed to Magnum Shot or equivalent.
  
  New Throwing Attack now aims like Ranged Attack. Aim Speed at Rank 1 is 200%.
  
  Max Accuracy vs running target: 80%
  Max Accuracy vs walking target: 90%
  Max Accuracy vs standing target: 99%
  
  Done. Jeez, game balance sure is tough. It's almost like I didn't think that up in like a minute.
  
  ---
  
  I'm really hoping that the next update drops Magic Missile down to 5 seconds.

  
  
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH thats a super nerf xD giants only get buffs
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-02-07 22:55
  
  
  • I heard they added a new Atlatl?
    
  • How much does the Javelin stack to now?
    
  • Can Atlatls be Special Upgraded?
    
• Kapra wrote on 2015-02-07 23:00

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264352:

  
  If TA is powerful, then why does no one use it...?

  
  Not because its too weak. Not because it takes to long to use. Not because you have to wait a long time to use it.
  
  Because you have to effing devote an entire weapon slot to it, and Javelins take up a lot of room and don't stack very high.
  
  The second problem was fixed this update, but instead of fixing the real issue with Throwing Attack, they just add more power. MORE POWER! A simple fix that would solve Atlatl issues is making it equippable in the shield slot, make javelins be consumed from the inventory, and add Javelin Quivers. I mean, Two Handed Swords and Lances can already equip a shield, not to mention many other one handed skillsets like Wands and Cylinders.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264380:

  So far most of these haven't happened lol

  
  Just goes to show how inconsistent devcat has been. The archery update is nothing like the close combat update so far.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1264405:

  
  
  • I heard they added a new Atlatl?
    
  • How much does the Javelin stack to now?
    
  • Can Atlatls be Special Upgraded?
    

  
  

  
  
  • They added new item entries for each Atlatl but not new Atlatls, same old weapons. No clue if existing Atlalts/Crossbows will be updated. (Existing instruments weren't updated in Genesis, and neither were FB/TH/IS/AR pages.)
    
  • 100. They should have been like that from the start.
    
  • Yes Atlatls can be upgraded, gem upgraded, special upgraded, etc. Capped Throwing Attack is pretty much on par with endgame gear archery now.