Thoughts on Renovation?

• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-26 23:12

  Quote from Kenero;1276475:

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  Lies. Meteor, Hail, and Snap Cast are fucking "difficult".
  
  In any case I would love to see a teacher's explanation of Mana Evap before it got removed.
• Kelvas wrote on 2015-05-26 23:27
  Speaking of the holy grail... will it destroy all the fashionistas in Dunbarton if Kotomine touches it?
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  Oh Shirou, people don't just die on Erinn.[/SPOILER]
  
  On a related note...
  I don't think that many people read the dialog. Even if DevCat goes back and changes all the dialog for the 'tutoring' of magic spells, little would change since people just click right through it.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-26 23:35

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  Lies. Meteor, Hail, and Snap Cast are fucking "difficult".
  
  In any case I would love to see a teacher's explanation of Mana Evap before it got removed.

  
  
  Meteor, hail, and snap cast are but three spells out of 31. "Not all spells are difficult to learn".
  
  And the removal of mana evaporation would be attributed to improvements in knowledge of mana flow, which is explained with the trinity staff being able to focus the energies of the elements to imbue it, the newer mana tunnels and moon gates having sigils of Palala and Eweca around them, allowing them to sustain themselves during their opposite times due to the obelisks charging during the day/night.
  
  It doesn't somehow explain snap cast, but it explains Spellwalk. Spellwalk is based upon the fundamental fact that mana is controlled by a mage/druid's concentration. Its similar to reducing the amount of concentration you'd need to sustain the intermediate magics, but keeping them intact, depite movement. I don't remember if grounding of magics ever was in the mabi lore at all, because it mostly seems to be accumulating the mana in the air and your innate power.
  
  Snap cast has no fucking background at all. Neither does chain cylinder for that matter if I recall.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-26 23:38

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  Snap cast has no fucking background at all. Neither does chain cylinder for that matter if I recall.

  
  
  Fireball, Arrow Revolver, and Shock have very vague backgrounds. Specifically because their books can't be fucking read.
  
  I don't recall Bash having an actual background either? I kind of skimmed through the text but the talk with Nao was just some lines of dialogue. Rage Impact, however, can't exist because its background revolves around ancient Iria and a Giant, long before the Milletian's arrival.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-05-27 00:33

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  Fireball, Arrow Revolver, and Shock have very vague backgrounds. Specifically because their books can't be fucking read.
  
  I don't recall Bash having an actual background either? I kind of skimmed through the text but the talk with Nao was just some lines of dialogue. Rage Impact, however, can't exist because its background revolves around ancient Iria and a Giant, long before the Milletian's arrival.

  
  
  I may be wrong but it begins with Nao telling you about a warrior who could not come to terms with himself and was raging throughout Erinn.
  
  When you talk to the warrior, you find out that he is some apprentice of some legendary warrior in Erinn and he cannot figure out or solve his teacher's ultimate skill.
  
  He explains that his teacher left him a hint on how to unlock the ultimate skill but he couldn't solve it, the more he tried, the less he understood to the point rage consumed him.
  
  You, the milletian, was able to figure out what his master was trying to obtain. For you see, the master was a great warrior, and he increased his strength, but found out that no matter how much he trained, he seemed limited. He tried to increase the power of his smash, but couldn't figure it out how to overcome its weakness.
  
  It was during when you stop the raging warrior that he finally understood. His master, instead of increasing the force of smash, he figured out a new way: to be like a shadow, to silently stream your strength through connecting blows instead of the explosive power of smash, thus Bash was brought to life.
  
  Instead of channeling unrivaled strength and rage into each hit, but to be like a shadow, and to calmly chain attacks slowly until the damage accumulates on the target, never moving yet never ending.
• Rydian wrote on 2015-05-27 00:48
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  AR's from back when the in-game skill explanations were lore and not usage instructions.
• Kapra wrote on 2015-05-27 01:16

  Quote from Darkboy132;1276487:

  Fireball, Arrow Revolver, and Shock have very vague backgrounds. Specifically because their books can't be fucking read.
  

  
  Rydian already explained Arrow Revolver. Shock was explained quite a bit, it was one of the gifts Aton Cimeni gave the Partholon, along with the Caliburn. It was originally used as a magic, but as the mainstream goes by, I believe it was Leymore who rediscovered how to use it and adapted it into an alchemy skill.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1276487:

  I don't recall Bash having an actual background either? I kind of skimmed through the text but the talk with Nao was just some lines of dialogue.

  
  You didn't read it at all did you?. . .
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1276487:

  Rage Impact, however, can't exist because its background revolves around ancient Iria and a Giant, long before the Milletian's arrival.

  
  First off, I dont' recall the term ancient being used, it was generations ago, after the curse of Irinid. Milletians on the other hand are fairly recent. Long before Iria was fully "discovered", Iria was a well known trade secret (ala the Morva Aisle sidequest and bits and bobs from Ascon and G15).
  
  

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  It's unfortunate, but their tutoring is now horribly outdated. I seriously doubt DevCAT went back to change their dialogue to fit with Renovation changes.

  
  I did the magic ones fairly recently, nothing seems outdated. The only thing that can be considered outdated is that it doesn't mention newer things, but the basic magic skills and mechanisms didn't really change. (Icebolt works the same, lightning works the same except it no longer dissipates, firebolt works the same. Mana regeneration works the same.) Things that did change, like mana evaporation, were not mentioned at all by Lassar.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-27 02:28

  Quote from Rydian;1276496:

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  AR's from back when the in-game skill explanations were lore and not usage instructions.

  
  
  

  Quote from Kapra;1276501:

  Rydian already explained Arrow Revolver. Shock was explained quite a bit, it was one of the gifts Aton Cimeni gave the Partholon, along with the Caliburn. It was originally used as a magic, but as the mainstream goes by, I believe it was Leymore who rediscovered how to use it and adapted it into an alchemy skill.

  
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132:

  Fireball, Arrow Revolver, and Shock have very vague backgrounds. Specifically because their books can't be fucking read.

  
  
  I knew that they were talked but like I said it was rather brief. Again, their books cannot be read, and I'm rather disappointed that DevCAT didn't put in any effort to do so.
  
  

  First off, I dont' recall the term ancient being used, it was generations ago, after the curse of Irinid. Milletians on the other hand are fairly recent. Long before Iria was fully "discovered", Iria was a well known trade secret (ala the Morva Aisle sidequest and bits and bobs from Ascon and G15).

  
  
  "Ancient" was simply meant to refer to the past, not the really old times when Irinid was around. Rage Impact, lore-wise, could not have happened because
  A) How did Aranwen's ancestor find Iria? As you said, Iria's existence was a secret. And
  B) How did she party with a Giant outside of Iria? Are 15-20 foot men not rememberable unlike the 50 foot Glas?
  
  

  Things that did change, like mana evaporation, were not mentioned at all by Lassar.

  
  
  Lassar never talked about wands, even during the beginning stages of Mabi. No NPC ever explained the concept of Mana Evap.
• Twin wrote on 2015-05-27 03:55

  Quote from Kenero;1276492:

  I may be wrong but it begins with Nao telling you about a warrior who could not come to terms with himself and was raging throughout Erinn.
  
  When you talk to the warrior, you find out that he is some apprentice of some legendary warrior in Erinn and he cannot figure out or solve his teacher's ultimate skill.
  
  He explains that his teacher left him a hint on how to unlock the ultimate skill but he couldn't solve it, the more he tried, the less he understood to the point rage consumed him.
  
  You, the milletian, was able to figure out what his master was trying to obtain. For you see, the master was a great warrior, and he increased his strength, but found out that no matter how much he trained, he seemed limited. He tried to increase the power of his smash, but couldn't figure it out how to overcome its weakness.
  
  It was during when you stop the raging warrior that he finally understood. His master, instead of increasing the force of smash, he figured out a new way: to be like a shadow, to silently stream your strength through connecting blows instead of the explosive power of smash, thus Bash was brought to life.
  
  Instead of channeling unrivaled strength and rage into each hit, but to be like a shadow, and to calmly chain attacks slowly until the damage accumulates on the target, never moving yet never ending.

  
  
  Should have went Giant and bought Reforges for Smash. Works everrryytimme~
• Aubog007 wrote on 2015-05-27 13:00
  Of course no NPC talked about mana evap or wands.
  
  because at the beginning of mabi, there were no wands
• Zeo wrote on 2015-05-27 13:23
  Been a week now, and I am enjoying most of the changes made to Magic.
  
  But Lightning rod is a very gimmicky skill to use and it doesn't help that it have horrible width distance for shooting Lightning rod out... I'd miss the target by like a strand of hair with this... I'd make it have 350 width instead of 200.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-05-27 15:26

  Quote from Zeo;1276561:

  Been a week now, and I am enjoying most of the changes made to Magic.
  
  But Lightning rod is a very gimmicky skill to use and it doesn't help that it have horrible width distance for shooting Lightning rod out... I'd miss the target by like a strand of hair with this... I'd make it have 350 width instead of 200.

  
  
  I had that problem quite a few times. Though people may get angry for what I am about to suggest... I use lullaby to ensure they stay still before charging lightning rod sometimes.
  
  Likewise, I am also a bad owner, that sometimes I just summon a pet or puppet to be aggro bait as I wait til they're being mauled in a group before I lightning rod.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-05-27 15:39

  Quote from Kenero;1276567:

  I had that problem quite a few times. Though people may get angry for what I am about to suggest... I use lullaby to ensure they stay still before charging lightning rod sometimes.
  
  Likewise, I am also a bad owner, that sometimes I just summon a pet or puppet to be aggro bait as I wait til they're being mauled in a group before I lightning rod.

  
  
  Lullaby help the situation a bit for me as well, though, I tend to have bad luck and miss the target by only a bit, LOL.
• Kenero wrote on 2015-05-27 15:59

  Quote from Zeo;1276568:

  Lullaby help the situation a bit for me as well, though, I tend to have bad luck and miss the target by only a bit, LOL.

  
  
  My face went >:D then went to D:> in a split second when a mob spawned infront of me, point blank... and I was charging up fully... then right before I released a fully charged lightning rod, it took 2 steps to be behind me and I miss.
  
  It... got my blindspot.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-27 20:40

  Quote from Kenero;1276567:

  Likewise, I am also a bad owner, that sometimes I just summon a pet or puppet to be aggro bait as I wait til they're being mauled in a group before I lightning rod.

  
  
  *Reports for animal/puppet abuse*
  
  
  Urgent might probably be worse. Really goes to show that DevCAT doesn't know how to test their shit.