Thoughts on Renovation?

• Zeo wrote on 2015-04-23 17:25

  Quote from Esileruf;1272069:

  I don't know about you but being able to solo elite TDB gate with r1 bash and barely 700 melee damage WITH 38% overture as an elf still is pretty impressive with a meh francisca. Disregarding the fact that this update is Humans OP erry day, giants get the short end of the stick, and elves are the stick the giants swing with, I'll goddamn love the hell out of charge using real damage, and running with defense on. MUCH better for surviving annoying situations, such as dragon field bosses. Not to mention rage impact is an excellent crowd control, much better at holding things down than windmill.

  
  
  Pretty sure I'll be able to wreck more than just Elite once I get r1 bash even on my main who is an elf because he already can with many things. I just wish they'd give some attention to the elves as well.
• TJP121 wrote on 2015-04-23 18:02
  I really am enjoying this update. When i first joined mabi dual wield combat was the first thing i picked up and had a lot of fun with but newer stuff came out and it slowly died out for me. Now with this update i can really enjoy dual wield again and not feel weakened while using it (FH hype) and love on the WM animation once again :skip:
• Avino wrote on 2015-04-23 18:08
  Nothin' much, just a little butt hurt!
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-04-23 18:12
  new mabi director is secretly certainlyT
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-23 18:49

  Quote from Esileruf;1272069:

  running with defense on. MUCH better for surviving annoying situations, such as dragon field bosses.

  
  
  ?_? Still not seeing it.
• Zekkii wrote on 2015-04-23 20:19

  Quote from Aubog007;1272036:

  Sir, this is what we call a Stable Time Loop.
  
  
  http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StableTimeLoop
  
  Yes LoZ is there

  
  I like how there's a real life section.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 02:16

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272086:

  ?_? Still not seeing it.

  
  
  Getting out of Flames of Hell alive.
  Moving away from the lightning rain zone in red dragon while not dying
  Fleeing the fireballs/thunders while under Invitation of Death and its Poison variant.
  Repositioning whilst thundered.
  Ruseing people HARD in duels.
  Guaranteeing less damage if hit by girg's staff bash, whilst still attempting to dodge it.
  
  Have you NEVER used a shield before? There's several situations where you had the choice of "run the hell away and hope you don't get shit on" and "use defense and hope you can get away fast enough while doubling your survival chances"
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 02:35

  Quote from Esileruf;1272143:

  Getting out of Flames of Hell alive.
  Moving away from the lightning rain zone in red dragon while not dying
  Fleeing the fireballs/thunders while under Invitation of Death and its Poison variant.
  Repositioning whilst thundered.
  Guaranteeing less damage if hit by girg's staff bash, whilst still attempting to dodge it.

  
  
  Except that's a glitch, so claims Nexon, that's been around since Genesis. They're supposed to cancel on things that don't trigger it.
  
  

  Have you NEVER used a shield before? There's several situations where you had the choice of "run the hell away and hope you don't get shit on" and "use defense and hope you can get away fast enough while doubling your survival chances"

  
  
  Not really, there's not much of a point in using them, besides fighters/puppets/gunners/ninja/dual swords can't use them anyway.
  
  Also I don't approve of their overpowered damage reduction.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 03:37

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272149:

  Except that's a glitch, so claims Nexon, that's been around since Genesis. They're supposed to cancel on things that don't trigger it.
  

  
  Things that are claimed as glitches sometimes aren't. There should be things that inherently FULLY pierce it and negate it, such as smash/firebolt/etc.
  
  But its the meaning between life and death sometimes.
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272149:

  
  
  Not really, there's not much of a point in using them, besides fighters/puppets/gunners/ninja/dual swords can't use them anyway.
  
  Also I don't approve of their overpowered damage reduction.

  
  
  In the situations where you find yourself actually needing a shield, its when everything would be lethal if you didn't use it. Even heavy armor doesn't stand up as well as a shield does from my experiences. There's not much of a use to use them, so if you KILLED the few reasons to use them, people wouldn't touch them over say, a guard cylinder, or a spellbook. Not like anybody aside from mages, giants, and the odd folk whom find themselves with a 1h uses them.
• Crhymez wrote on 2015-04-24 03:48
  Hmm, I think this renovation made humans the best race...lol
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 03:50

  Quote from Esileruf;1272159:

  Things that are claimed as glitches sometimes aren't. There should be things that inherently FULLY pierce it and negate it, such as smash/firebolt/etc.
  
  But its the meaning between life and death sometimes.

  
  
  Pretty sure Smash and Firebolt cancelled Defense pre-Genesis... But eh.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 04:02

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272164:

  Pretty sure Smash and Firebolt cancelled Defense pre-Genesis... But eh.

  
  
  They most certainly did. Except things change and then are forgotten as actual bugs, then become features. It had to do with an error of coding whether or not the attack knocked back or not, relating to the knockback meter. If it FILLED the meter entirely, defense wouldn't cancel for some odd reason. Before, it didn't matter what hit it, defense was cancelled and put into cooldown.
  
  Genesis broke MANY things relating to the knockdown meter. A big thing is that Milletians/players do not have one. That is why things that rely on the knockback meter to apply stun don't, and why 2+Blaze went from one of the most bullshit things in pvp to find yourself on the end of, to nonexistant.
  
  There are so many damn things on that bug list that you can TELL inherently what the error has to do with the coding, except apparently devcat CAN'T, WONT, or ISN'T BEING PAID TO FIX THEM.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 04:23

  Quote from Esileruf;1272166:

  There are so many damn things on that bug list that you can TELL inherently what the error has to do with the coding, except apparently devcat CAN'T, WONT, or ISN'T BEING PAID TO FIX THEM.

  
  
  :gloom3: That's actually a great point...
  
  
  Anyway, honestly I'd rather see a bigger buff to Defense and Counterattack, because they both pale to multi-aggro and the latter is pathetically weak. Lessening their mobility restrictions is OK I guess, but they're still mostly not worth using over Windmill or Rage Impact.
• Crhymez wrote on 2015-04-24 07:07
  My final thoughts are... Final Hit was buffed way too much. While it is very strong... i cant bring myself to stay a human.
  I just really love the feel and look of playing a giant.
  
  I have a strong suspicion that FH with either get a time decrease or damage decrease... But being the person i am, i hate nerfs, So i would much rather Giants get a new skill Called Warrior rage that is similar to final hit.
• Twin wrote on 2015-04-24 09:09
  Looking at the bigger picture, nope. Not really a fan of this update.