Thoughts on Renovation?

• Crhymez wrote on 2015-04-24 09:18
  Hmm, check this out.
  Great job @Kinsoo
  
  [video=youtube;nGHFfv3fYFc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHFfv3fYFc&nxid=10[/video]
• Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-24 15:55

  Quote from Esileruf;1272011:

  Final hit got a speed boost. Normal might be fast enough w/o attack speed set but that depends on what the speed boost is on FH

  
  
  Sorry it's so late but finally got around to test. Without attack speed set, Fast is at least 13% more hits than normal (for me).
• KingFintchz wrote on 2015-04-24 17:47

  Quote from Crhymez;1272174:

  My final thoughts are... Final Hit was buffed way too much. While it is very strong... i cant bring myself to stay a human.
  I just really love the feel and look of playing a giant.
  
  I have a strong suspicion that FH with either get a time decrease or damage decrease... But being the person i am, i hate nerfs, So i would much rather Giants get a new skill Called Warrior rage that is similar to final hit.

  
  
  I think it'd be slightly better to give giants Final Hit without the speed boost (or lesser speed boost) as well as a shorter teleport distance, and a shorter duration (unless that goes against the oh so logical lore that narrates Mabinogi). Although it would make sense to apply those debuffs to giants due to their size and available duel wield weapons. It wouldn't put giants over humans in DPS still, but it wouldn't leave giants completely in the dust.
  
  I think rage impact is pretty cool. It's somewhat like support shot for giants so that's pretty fun; crisis + rage impact + windmill in NPC per round might yield some pretty nasty results in terms of soloing, shooting rush might work well too, although I'm not sure if the damage buff would only apply to one of the hits. Bash is pretty cool,I think it'd be cooler if they allowed giants to use bash with lance or something although I've seen some pretty high up there bashes with just war hammers (Mr. Avino)... So perhaps I just need to get more damage so see decent damage.
• Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-24 17:54

  Quote from KingFintchz;1272205:

  I've seen some pretty high up there bashes with just war hammers (Mr. Avino)

  
  
  You can't bash x2 with warhammer or iron mace though so you're only doing half the damage. Or does attack speed make it possible?
  
  Edit: I tested and couldn't make it happen so idk why bash with warhammer and not a fanatic 2h.
• Milk wrote on 2015-04-24 17:56
  Its like stupid overpowered now.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 18:18

  Quote from Oberynn;1272206:

  You can't bash x2 with warhammer or iron mace though so you're only doing half the damage. Or does attack speed make it possible?

  
  
  I heard Attack Speed has no effect on Bash.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 18:39

  Quote from Oberynn;1272206:

  You can't bash x2 with warhammer or iron mace though so you're only doing half the damage. Or does attack speed make it possible?
  
  Edit: I tested and couldn't make it happen so idk why bash with warhammer and not a fanatic 2h.

  
  Its tougher I think, but its possible to double bash at slow+attack speed. I've been doing it with my francisca.
  
  

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272210:

  I heard Attack Speed has no effect on Bash.

  
  It doesn't, but the speed of the weapon does, for double bash.
• Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-24 18:49

  Quote from Esileruf;1272212:

  Its tougher I think, but its possible to double bash at slow+attack speed. I've been doing it with my francisca.

  
  
  Good to know. Why not an ele 6 scythe though?
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 18:52

  Quote from Esileruf;1272212:

  Its tougher I think, but its possible to double bash at slow+attack speed. I've been doing it with my francisca.

  
  
  What, really? I haven't been doing it at all with my Fomor Warhammer and Fomor Francisca.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 18:56

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272217:

  What, really? I haven't been doing it at all with my Fomor Warhammer and Fomor Francisca.

  
  
  Gah, Gimme a second, I'll make a fuckhuge gif.
  
  EDIT: Its done.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/hprQW/ffbd8d4cea.gif]

  
  You firstly NEED an attack speed set to bring slow>normal, else it wont ever happen. Its difficult as HELL if you have any lag too boot. I was attempting to record first and it was lagging me enough it was piss annoying. Using vivace barely did anything as well.
  Also, yes, fuckhuge. its 13MB because I can't post webms here directly, and folks dont care for pomf.se.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-24 19:23

  Quote from Esileruf;1272218:

  Gah, Gimme a second, I'll make a fuckhuge gif.
  
  EDIT: Its done.
  

  [Image: http://puu.sh/hprQW/ffbd8d4cea.gif]

  
  You firstly NEED an attack speed set to bring slow>normal, else it wont ever happen. Its difficult as HELL if you have any lag too boot. I was attempting to record first and it was lagging me enough it was piss annoying. Using vivace barely did anything as well.
  Also, yes, fuckhuge. its 13MB because I can't post webms here directly, and folks dont care for pomf.se.

  
  
  Though you said attack speed did nothing for Bash?
• 800mans wrote on 2015-04-24 19:50

  Quote from KingFintchz;1272205:

  I think it'd be cooler if they allowed giants to use bash with lance or something although I've seen some pretty high up there bashes with just war hammers (Mr. Avino)...

  
  
  bash with lance lol, youre going to see 30k bashes if that happened.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 19:52

  Quote from Darkboy132;1272220:

  Though you said attack speed did nothing for Bash?

  
  
  Attack speed affecting bash is indirect, as double bash only cares if your weapon is normal or faster. Slow+Attack speed = normal. Bash itself could care less if you were using 40% vivace with a fast+attack speed, you aren't going to make it go faster than 2 bashes per skill load. I'm almost certain its a damn exploit/bug at this rate, because that is NOT what should be intended, this is the make/break between bash doing worse or better than smash.
• k1nsoo wrote on 2015-04-24 20:04

  Quote from Esileruf;1272228:

  Attack speed affecting bash is indirect, as double bash only cares if your weapon is normal or faster. Slow+Attack speed = normal. Bash itself could care less if you were using 40% vivace with a fast+attack speed, you aren't going to make it go faster than 2 bashes per skill load. I'm almost certain its a damn exploit/bug at this rate, because that is NOT what should be intended, this is the make/break between bash doing worse or better than smash.

  
  
  Nope, slow weapon with attackspeed set doesn't do "double-bash". I just tested it. Only normal or faster can 2x bash. Attackspeed set has nothing to do with bash.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-04-24 20:07

  Quote from k1nsoo;1272229:

  Nope, slow weapon with attackspeed set doesn't do "double-bash". I just tested it. Only normal or faster can 2x bash. Attackspeed set has nothing to do with bash.

  
  
  

  Quote from Esileruf;1272218:

  
  

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  I'll refrain from being an asshole for one post.