Mabi vs other MMORPGS

• Kazusa Touma wrote on 2015-06-13 06:47

  Quote from Blissfulkill;1278259:

  archery is ... one of the more rewarding ones when it comes to damage.

  
  
  nope
  nopenopenopenope
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-06-13 14:14

  Quote from Kazusa Touma;1278272:

  nope
  nopenopenopenope

  
  
  endgame archers do upwards of 120k crit every 1-2 seconds
• Kaeporo wrote on 2015-06-13 14:40

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1278292:

  endgame archers do upwards of 120k crit every 1-2 seconds

  
  
  If your definition of end-game consists of point-blanking raccoons.
• willcaster wrote on 2015-06-13 15:21

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1278292:

  endgame archers do upwards of 120k crit every 1-2 seconds

  
  
  It is... but you need a lot of MONEY. Campfire (you cant move around this junk), elemental reforge (real money expensive), mangum reforge (real money), bohemian set (gold cheap),magnum combo (hard to get and rm expensive to keep), Bhafel Hunter ( expensive gold and rm), effective range reforge, Battlefield Overture, Playing Instrument Effect (reforge).
  
  I think those are the key to make archers "endgame" rewarding. Get it or go home, without those my dmg wont go higher than 16k
  
  PS: my shuriken charge hits 20-25k without reforges or campfire, i was like wdf?
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-13 16:21

  Quote from willcaster;1278297:

  It is... but you need a lot of MONEY. Campfire (you cant move around this junk), elemental reforge (real money expensive), mangum reforge (real money), bohemian set (gold cheap),magnum combo (hard to get and rm expensive to keep), Bhafel Hunter ( expensive gold and rm), effective range reforge, Battlefield Overture, Playing Instrument Effect (reforge).
  
  I think those are the key to make archers "endgame" rewarding. Get it or go home, without those my dmg wont go higher than 16k
  
  PS: my shuriken charge hits 20-25k without reforges or campfire, i was like wdf?

  
  
  Archery is a bit too reforge dependent if you ask me. I say a bit because most of it is unnecessary, I mean how much damage do you need ?however paying 20mil for one piece of reforged equipment isn't cheap, and archery is the most dependent class on reforges. I would like this to change along with the mechanics for archery to be a better class. In my opinion, we need to rework the class into a new class reminiscent of Kai from Vindictus and the archer from Dragon Nest. Ofc, some players may actually prefer the support dps and living up to the sniper name.
• callback wrote on 2015-06-16 14:41
  Am I the only one here who absolutely hates XIV? WoW-style combat is the most boring thing in the world, and when a game is built around it it doesn't matter what else you do, the end result will never be fun.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-06-17 00:15

  Quote from callback;1278578:

  Am I the only one here who absolutely hates XIV? WoW-style combat is the most boring thing in the world, and when a game is built around it it doesn't matter what else you do, the end result will never be fun.

  
  
  I don't really think you should pass judgement on it unless you have gotten a character to 50 and played level 50 content as well, even more so end game content.
• callback wrote on 2015-06-17 14:37

  Quote from Syliara;1278729:

  I don't really think you should pass judgement on it unless you have gotten a character to 50 and played level 50 content as well, even more so end game content.

  
  
  I've seen 50 content streamed. Doesn't change the combat in any way. Also what kind of a game forces you to grind through suckage for that long before any fun can be had? You should absolutely be able to judge based on early impressions, especially once you get a good look at the core mechanics. XIV's core mechanics are WoW. I despise WoW combat.
• Blissfulkill wrote on 2015-06-17 15:57

  Quote from callback;1278837:

  I've seen 50 content streamed. Doesn't change the combat in any way. Also what kind of a game forces you to grind through suckage for that long before any fun can be had? You should absolutely be able to judge based on early impressions, especially once you get a good look at the core mechanics. XIV's core mechanics are WoW. I despise WoW combat.

  
  
  Early impressions sucks. They often ignore problems encountered later in the game.
• koishi-sempai wrote on 2015-06-17 16:21
  I think the idea of "the game is only good at the level cap" is really annoying.
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2015-06-17 18:28

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1278863:

  I think the idea of "the game is only good at the level cap" is really annoying.

  
  
  Quite a few games are set-up to be like that. Some of these games have a very long and boring grind in order to reach that level cap.
• Tropa wrote on 2015-06-17 18:48

  Quote from Kaeporo;1278293:

  If your definition of end-game consists of point-blanking raccoons.

  
  
  I couldn't help but to have a giggle at this.
  
  

  Quote from koishi-sempai;1278863:

  I think the idea of "the game is only good at the level cap" is really annoying.

  
  
  I don't know, once I capped stuff and completed every piece of content, I easily grew bored.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-06-17 19:49

  Quote from callback;1278578:

  WoW-style combat is the most boring thing in the world.

  
  
  Literally standing there, forced to take hits, is pretty damn dull.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-06-17 20:12

  Quote from callback;1278578:

  WoW-style combat

  
  Just for the record, you are aware that WoW isn't even close to being the first game with tab-targeting, yes?
  
  And about this type of combat, it's pretty dull yes. In those cases a lot depends on content to keep players interested. Mabi is the opposite of that - I love playing around with combat system alone, while most of content is getting me down.
• Meiji wrote on 2015-06-17 20:28

  Quote from callback;1278837:

  I've seen 50 content streamed. Doesn't change the combat in any way. Also what kind of a game forces you to grind through suckage for that long before any fun can be had? You should absolutely be able to judge based on early impressions, especially once you get a good look at the core mechanics. XIV's core mechanics are WoW. I despise WoW combat.

  Actually, you're free to do other things on XIV if you want. It's just highly recommended to have a class up to level 50 and caught up on main quests because they help unlock many endgame dungeons and raids. But nothing is stopping you to go exploring or whatever it is you wanna do. Fashion, crafting, gathering, extra quests, mini-games, whatever.
  
  Also I keep hearing you complain about the "wow-style" combat.. which is fine, your opinion, but I think judging a game so prematurely (specially if you haven't hit 50/done most endgame content yourself) based solely on combat mechanics is silly. Having watched a stream with your mindset that the game is automatically poor due to the combat, won't help you much either. It will look the same style, but actually having the skill during certain boss fights is an entirely different thing. Mainly because XIV is highly party-oriented... if you or one of your party members screw up one of the mechanics its almost often a guaranteed wipe.
  
  

  Quote from callback;1278578:

  WoW-style combat is the most boring thing in the world, and when a game is built around it it doesn't matter what else you do, the end result will never be fun.

  Also I highly disagree with this... if all a game can offer me is its combat style and nothing much else, I'll get bored fast. (TERA)