This Game Needs Change

• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-08 19:36
  So, I logged on for the first time in like six months today. I've been playing Since around G8(however long ago that was) and this game has changed A LOT since then. Mechanically, visually, all of it. Some of it for better, some for worse. This game has a huge problem right now, it feels like a private server. I can drop a Meteor, Sakura Abyss, Stun a mob with lullaby, make them not aggro with rain, final hit, and still have a ton of skills left to throw. I'm only like 7k(I remember when 1k was pro), and unless I'm in that new knight training thing, or the boss raids, I basically curb stomp EVERYTHING!
  
  It's not even fun at this point. There are a bunch of horribly broken skills/combos it ridiculous. Party play is practically unnecessary at this point. SMs/Dungeons are a joke unless you're totally noob or have brain damage. I mean you start at lv 1k and get rebirth every week, then there's all the free ap sitting around. The whole thing is fucked at this point, it feels like a private server.
  
  What I think they need to do is lock characters to 2 or 3 talents of skills that are changeable each rebirth, and balance every skill tab better. Nerf Hydra/Raincasting/Final Hit/Lightning Rod/a bunch of other shit. Maybe they could make skill tress similar to Star Wars galaxies. A set amount of AP that you can distribute however you want... Just ideas. I think this would be good for new players too, since the older members of the community are gods compared to any of them.
  
  I appreciate the balances given to Combat/Magic/Ranged lately, but we don't need to be making everything overpower as fuck, we need balance, and characters to become progressively stronger. It gives new players a feeling of accomplishment when they beat something, not ultra hax final hit crunchy boom boom explosion of melee fuck.
  
  All Trans skills need to be reworked imo
  
  What do you guys think, or what would you do if you had the option?
• Tropa wrote on 2015-11-08 20:15
  I agree on some of these, but sadly, this game is beyond disrepair, which is sad because I used to love this game.
  
  Mabinogi really does become easy, boring and repetitive after a certain point, and just less and less "rewarding".
  
  
  
  I'll be waiting for some righteous game company to make a classless game like this and make it actually balanced/fun/rewarding, but for now, that's what I have ffxiv for.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-08 20:30
  It's just barking at the moon at the end of the day. Most mmos become a shadow at one point or another though.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-11-08 21:06
  http://mabination.com/threads/53737-New-weapon-skills-items-and-tweaks-you-d-like-to-see!
  
  As tropacat said, this game used to be great, but now its a cesspool that can't be cleansed. Milletians just curbstomp everything against the poor, defenseless monsters, while the payout we receive is pretty damn small. Dungeons and shadow missions are pretty damn redundant. I've effectively semi-quit; I only come back to minor events such as attendance and to see my friends.
  
  Treasure Hunter really goes to show how DevCAT doesn't know how to balance out rewards, and Renovation with skills. You don't have to play an archer to know how horribly disadvantaged they are in the Catching Tails event.
  
  However, locking talents might not be a good idea. In beta G13 the Destiny system restricted you to only one skillset and KR players criticized it to hell. A restriction like that goes against "live your own fantasy life". I'd rather see some of the stats removed; their inflation is part of why Milletians are overpowered.
  
  

  Quote from Nekoarious:

  It feels like a private server.

  
  
  I actually have to agree with this. Inspiration feels like a pseudo-infinite MP hack.
• Syliara wrote on 2015-11-08 21:15

  Quote from Darkboy132;1289641:

  http://mabination.com/threads/53737-New-weapon-skills-items-and-tweaks-you-d-like-to-see!
  
  As tropacat said, this game used to be great, but now its a cesspool that can't be cleansed. Milletians just curbstomp everything against the poor, defenseless monsters, while the payout we receive is pretty damn small. Dungeons and shadow missions are pretty damn redundant. I've effectively semi-quit; I only come back to minor events such as attendance and to see my friends.
  
  Treasure Hunter really goes to show how DevCAT doesn't know how to balance out rewards, and Renovation with skills. You don't have to play an archer to know how horribly disadvantaged they are in the Catching Tails event.
  
  However, locking talents might not be a good idea. In beta G13 the Destiny system restricted you to only one skillset and KR players criticized it to hell. A restriction like that goes against "live your own fantasy life". I'd rather see some of the stats removed; their inflation is part of why Milletians are overpowered.
  
  
  
  I actually have to agree with this. Inspiration feels like a pseudo-infinite MP hack.

  
  
  Have you ever actually used magic besides random bolts or random int/adv magic? If you had then youd know how false this statement is. Inspiration is nowhere near an infinite mp hack and is nothing more than a random 50% boost to your mp whenever off cd. If you actually used magic you'd know that you would still be chugging mp pots even with inspiration if you used magic more than just a random snap casted fb or a random lightning rod/meteor strike.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-11-08 21:22
  Unless you're at a point where it takes less than three hours to solo Heroic Alban, you can't say the game is too easy.
  
  Are old contents easy? Of course. Do they matter? Not really.
  
  The game has shifted its focus on to contents that actually have significance, aka Alban and raids.
• Chihaya wrote on 2015-11-08 21:40
  Pretty much what ironwoman said; it's shitty balancing and OP bash and FH, but they added new stuff to make other things worthwhile.
  
  Granted, on the flipside, the OTHER things (SMs, dungeons, actual life skills besides MC/Engineering and etc.) are worthless and not worth your time, which is what I can agree needs some change.
  AND the new content isn't that great either. Raid is all about the three Crusader Skills or Bash/FH, and similar for Alban except there's a bit of 1v1 luring involved because all that changed about monsters in there are stats.
  
  On the topic of magic, I would also agree that Inspiration is not a pseudo MP-hack; its CD is too high for you to even use magic continuously at raids or such even with Meditation and continuous enduring melody. This in addition to how you get hit and how you would suck in multiaggro. Seriously, I had this one player who thought he was good because he was doing tens of thousands of damage in AAHM, then when I wasn't there to cover his sorry-little-ass, he would die left and right. Humility; it's a thing.
  
  Back on topic: Mabinogi's a game now that you should only play because you spent too much time/effort on your character. Other than that, it's heavily newbie-unfriendly and with the toxic community the internet's been having recently, it's definitely "not something you can change", unless you did a complete wipe and started fresh all over from G1... which would be pretty hilarious to watch.
• Qnjo wrote on 2015-11-08 22:03
  While some changes would be much appreciated, what this game needs the most is more players that don't complain so much.
• Rynn wrote on 2015-11-08 22:07
  I think it's pretty newbie friendly with the recent updates in terms of development, maybe forums are full of older players, but newbies still help each other and meet to talk in-game.
  
  @rest of thread
  This game is 11 years old, I mean, no game is gonna keep any one person's attention forever. It kept some of you around for 5+ years and then some, if it's no longer your kind of thing, maybe it's just time to find something else and let it get another generation of people hooked for 5+ years.
  
  The game has always had something that's broken, so seasonal OPness of specific skills like FH and Bash don't really matter in the long run. Even during the "golden times" there were things such as bowmill, or dunbarton square sized golems, or blaze before a million nerfs, or elves in general before dynamic combat.
• Hatsunechan wrote on 2015-11-08 22:36

  Quote from ironwoman;1289643:

  Unless you're at a point where it takes less than three hours to solo Heroic Alban, you can't say the game is too easy.
  
  Are old contents easy? Of course. Do they matter? Not really.
  
  The game has shifted its focus on to contents that actually have significance, aka Alban and raids.

  
  
  That is not how to properly balance a mmo. You dont ignore all your old content and refuse to fix them no matter what your players say.
• Zeo wrote on 2015-11-08 23:04
  Oh boy. Few players come in here complaining that Mabinogi is too easy.
  
  Why am I not surprised? Like someone pointed it out... If no one can manage to solo Alban Heroic within 3 hours, you can't really say the game is too easy.
  
  I do think game need some changes but not too dynamic to a point where things get nerfed down to oblivion or where things got changed enough to a point where it doesn't feel like Mabinogi to me.
  
  What Mabinogi really need to go is to go back to the older contents and add more to them. One of the biggest problems with new contents is that DevCat implemented them in game only to end up forgetting about them like the dungeons (and no, I don't mean those fake abyss crap).
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-08 23:21

  Quote from ironwoman;1289643:

  Unless you're at a point where it takes less than three hours to solo Heroic Alban, you can't say the game is too easy.
  
  Are old contents easy? Of course. Do they matter? Not really.
  
  The game has shifted its focus on to contents that actually have significance, aka Alban and raids.

  
  That causes a huge imbalance in the game.though. It's not like when SMs came out and nobody ran dungeons, there were still things to get at least. Need Ice spear? Do your daily for seals. Have a shitty weapons/armor? Do your daily for seals. Can't get past a rank on your skills? Do your daily for seals! Don't have enough exploration levels? Go abuse the arc lich quest that should have been patched a week after launch! Taking too much damage? Max your heavy armor skill and take 1s from almost all hardmode enemies at 300! Just started the game? Here's a starter kit 1k ap, free daily rebirths, 10,000 dollars, Mila Kunis, and a mount that stuns shit when summoned. Just do your saga! WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BALANCE I'M DEVCAT, BUY OUR REFORGES AND THE GACHA EQUIPMENT THAT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU COULD MAKE YOURSELF!!!!
  
  Look my issue isn't that old content falls behind, it's mostly the poor decisions patch to patch that add up
  
  Also raids don't feel like they fit in well with this game. It's supposed to be a sort of dungeon crawler. When your bashing away a giant dragon that just kinda does it's own shit the whole time, it seems lame. Gigrashy is better, but still, it's not what this game is good at doing. Not to say there shouldn't be any raids, they should be more of an after though or something, like the original iria raids. You can get cool shit, and they just kinda happen. That's my opinion at least...
  
  
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  Quote from Zeo;1289651:

  Oh boy. Few players come in here complaining that Mabinogi is too easy.
  
  Why am I not surprised? Like someone pointed it out... If no one can manage to solo Alban Heroic within 3 hours, you can't really say the game is too easy.
  
  I do think game need some changes but not too dynamic to a point where things get nerfed down to oblivion or where things got changed enough to a point where it doesn't feel like Mabinogi to me.
  
  What Mabinogi really need to go is to go back to the older contents and add more to them. One of the biggest problems with new contents is that DevCat implemented them in game only to end up forgetting about them like the dungeons (and no, I don't mean those fake abyss crap).

  
  
  Alban is among the few exceptions. But what is there you can't do at around 2k or even 1k if your ap fed? Alban, Peaca Int/Abyss maybe, Coil Abyss. Everything else is squish
• Tropa wrote on 2015-11-08 23:41

  Quote from Zeo;1289651:

  Why am I not surprised? Like someone pointed it out... If no one can manage to solo Alban Heroic within 3 hours, you can't really say the game is too easy.

  
  
  Right, I forgot that mechanic where you get extra rewards for clearing content fast.
  
  
  ...No wait, that's another mmo.
• ironwoman wrote on 2015-11-08 23:49

  Quote from Chihaya;1289644:

  
  Granted, on the flipside, the OTHER things (SMs, dungeons, actual life skills besides MC/Engineering and etc.) are worthless and not worth your time, which is what I can agree needs some change.
  AND the new content isn't that great either. Raid is all about the three Crusader Skills or Bash/FH, and similar for Alban except there's a bit of 1v1 luring involved because all that changed about monsters in there are stats.

  
  
  Actually, few SMs, dungeons, and life skills have proven to be useful. Need to enchant Chord? Go run SS elite or Red Dragon HM and get Rhythm or Sweet. Need Nightmare or Black Fog? Go spam Barri adv or Fiodh adv. Need to make some spare money on the side? Get R1 Blacksmithing and mass produce shurikens, or get a Druid Robe pattern from TMs and mass produce those too to sell to robe hoarders. Sadly, Handicraft still needs work as its only purpose right now is dex filler and making dragon bones.
  
  As for Alban, if you're saying the stats are the only thing, that's a huge understatement. For one thing, there is the insta aggro. You can also adjust the difficulty of your run, which is a new concept in Mabinogi since only way you could change was by having levels or elite passes. The golem's seldomly unpredictable behavior makes the runs elongated sometimes as well.
  
  

  Quote from Nekoarious;1289653:

  That causes a huge imbalance in the game.though. It's not like when SMs came out and nobody ran dungeons, there were still things to get at least. Need Ice spear? Do your daily for seals. Have a shitty weapons/armor? Do your daily for seals? Can't get past a rank on your skills? Do your daily for seals! Don't have enough exploration levels? Go abuse the arc lich quest that should have been patched a week after launch! Taking too much damage? Max your heavy armor skill and take 1s from almost all hardmode enemies at 300! Just started the game? Here's a starter kit 1k ap, free daily rebirths, 10,000 dollars, Mila Kunis, and a mount that stuns shit when summoned. just do your saga! WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BALANCE I'M DEVCAT, BUY OUR REFORGES AND THE GACHA EQUIPMENT THAT'S BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU COULD MAKE YOURSELF!!!!
  
  Look my issue isn't that old content falls behind, it's mostly the poor decisions to "fix stuff.
  
  Also raids don't feel like they fit in well with this game. It's supposed to be a sort of dungeon crawler. When your bashing away a giant dragon that just kinda does it's own shit the whole time, it seems lame. Gigrashy is better, but still, it's not what this game is good at doing. Not to say there shouldn't be any raids, they should be more of an after though or something, like the original iria raids. You can get cool shit, and they just kinda happen. That's my opinion at least...
  
  
  Edit:
  
  
  Alban is among the few exceptions. But what is there you can't do at around 2k or even 1k if your ap fed? Alban, Peaca Int/Abyss maybe, Coil Abyss. Everything else is squish

  
  
  Quite lots of things wrong and impractical with this statement...
  
  Ice spear pages? Not really hard to get, seals aren't worth it. You can also easily pay with gold. Have a shitty weapon? Okay, then go make CRK, not one of those shitty beam swords from seal shops. Also, Royal Knight Armor is only good when it becomes enchanted and reforged, just like any other body wear in game. Ranking your skills with seals? Sure, you can do that for last 15 points of whatever you're ranking, but honestly, who the fuck would ever rank the skills just by seals? It's 490 seals per rank, you'd be better off just grinding the skill. Exploration level? Yeah, Lich is one way. There is also an option of getting dragon finishes, which isn't hard to do in NA server with just a pair of Dowra and att speed set. Not saying Lich sketching isn't a problem, but for those that have grudges against the sketching method, dragon finishes is another option. Maxing heavy armor skill to get 1 damage? While some may view it as worth, in general, the philosophy of "damages first, defense later" in this game really doesn't support that. You'd be better off being able to one shot the mobs to have them not attack you in the first place. As for the APs and free rebirth, it was meant to help the newbies out, rather than breaking the game. Still, many newbies can't learn to distribute the AP efficiently to make them useful for their levels. As for the gacha equipment being "better than anything you could make yourself", I could show you my gear, where only three gears are gacha items (none of which I bought gacha for myself), and you still have to reforge and enchant over it. Everyone that knows a fair bit about this game knows your best gears don't come from gacha, you still have to make them.
  
  As for raids, you do get "cool shit". Perhaps you never had luck with your drops. Also, if you want to make it more fun, go and try solo WD/BD. I can tell you it's actually pretty satisfying when you do.
  
  As for "But what is there you can't do at around 2k or even 1k if your ap fed?" I haven't seen a 2k that's been able to solo larger reward elite missions, like SW, SS, GOP, etc. Go and try to make a new character and try soloing those at 2k, and see if you can finish under 15 minutes without using a Nao.
• Nekoarious wrote on 2015-11-08 23:50

  Quote from Tropa;1289654:

  Right, I forgot that mechanic where you get extra rewards for clearing content fast.
  
  
  ...No wait, that's another mmo.

  
  If that's the hardest dungeon in the game, should it even be soloable?