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• Cannibal wrote on 2012-09-12 05:17
  But supporting something and not reporting aren't against the rules. While reporting both makes our jobs easier and makes Nation a better place, it isn't something that's required. As long as someone holds their tongue and doesn't actually post their agreement with an insult, we can't punish them.
  
  Kazuni's idea is ideal, however, I'm not sure if that could even be done.
• Reptile wrote on 2012-09-12 05:40

  Quote from Araria;950174:

  How about we start awarding infractions to people who give rep to posts that should be reported?
  Generally speaking, for a more efficient forum, it should be a rule that it's the members' duty to report a post if they see it, not give rep.

  
  
  thanks Kim Jong Il
  
  if people choose to not get involved, that's their decision
  if they like the post, they have the right to rep it
• Maenad wrote on 2012-09-12 05:55

  Quote from Reptile;950188:

  thanks Kim Jong Il
  
  if people choose to not get involved, that's their decision
  if they like the post, they have the right to rep it

  
  
  It's only a right if you make it a right.
  
  If someone's post deserves an infraction, it also deserves a report.
  You don't ignore a robbery in progress, nor do you applaud a murderer after the fact just because you hated his victims.
• Reptile wrote on 2012-09-12 05:56

  Quote from Araria;950194:

  It's only a right if you make it a right.
  
  If someone's post deserves an infraction, it also deserves a report.
  You don't ignore a robbery in progress, nor do you applaud a murderer after the fact just because you hated his victims.

  
  you can't compare flaming or double posting to robbery or murder, those types of things can drastically alter lives
  it's more like not reporting jay walking
• Maenad wrote on 2012-09-12 06:38

  Quote from Reptile;950195:

  you can't compare flaming or double posting to robbery or murder, those types of things can drastically alter lives
  it's more like not reporting jay walking

  
  
  Cyber bullying causes suicides!
• Cynic wrote on 2012-09-12 09:02

  Quote from Araria;950207:

  Cyber bullying causes suicides!

  
  
  Because we have cyber bullying here constantly, right?
• Taycat wrote on 2012-09-12 09:17

  Quote from Cynic;950224:

  Because we have cyber bullying here constantly, right?

  
  
  Araria is the best at making posts without realizing the point u_u
  
  That and her sarcasm is unwanted and childish at times.
• Arsik wrote on 2012-09-12 11:45

  Quote from Kueh;950167:

  Inapplicable: You told me yourself that you were reporting it. Why would I report it as well?

  
  
  But out of the 8 people that gave me rep, only 2 of them knew that I reported my own post. Outside of the Skype chat, the only people who knew that I reported the post was the staff because they can clearly see that I did it. So 5-6 people out of how many who saw that post didn't report it when they knew someone already did, and even then, they still should have reported it because it was against the rules. And as far as anyone in the Skype knows, I could have been lying to them about reporting my own post, in which case, then absolutely nobody would have reported it because they assumed/thought someone else already did, so it doesn't mean much if they report the thread too, which is completely wrong. Hell, the staff will probably be more inclined to react to a problem if there's like 20 reports on a thread that's seriously and blatantly breaking the rules as compared to one person doing it, and that one person being the person who made the post in the first place.
• Milk wrote on 2012-09-12 17:22

  Quote from Valkyrio;950171:

  I'm not sure what kind of high school you go to, but locker rooms are generally not mixed sex, and even public schools have dress codes. Inappropriate perhaps isn't the right word, but please don't start with semantics. Just focus on the "nudity" or "suggestive content" part of it.

  
  
  I think your definition of inappropriate content is wrong. A picture that shows too much skin isn't inappropriate. You can go to the beach and see a lot more skin on people than anything I have yet to see on any signature here on mabination. For me the problem comes when the images show actual parts of the body that are not normally seen outdoors. The point that I'm trying to make is that if i wanted to go and make a signature that included a girl in a bikini and wanted to cut out the chest and pelvis area to make it look like she was naked, that would be perfectly okay and people should have a heart attack just because it suggest that the person is naked and if the image still bothers you regardless, just block it.
• Valkyrio wrote on 2012-09-12 17:42

  Quote from Milk;950335:

  I think your definition of inappropriate content is wrong. A picture that shows too much skin isn't inappropriate. You can go to the beach and see a lot more skin on people than anything I have yet to see on any signature here on mabination. For me the problem comes when the images show actual parts of the body that are not normally seen outdoors. The point that I'm trying to make is that if i wanted to go and make a signature that included a girl in a bikini and wanted to cut out the chest and pelvis area to make it look like she was naked, that would be perfectly okay and people should have a heart attack just because it suggest that the person is naked and if the image still bothers you regardless, just block it.

  
  
  Did you even bother reading my post? I said forget about the word inappropriate.
  
  A bikini wouldn't be appropriate in school. Appropriate is a relative word. I'm talking about actual nudity/suggestive content. Murasaki's icon currently is cropped the way you said. I think it's fine. It's just a stomach - I know in the fullsize art she's naked, and I'm fine with that. It's a hell of a lot better than having a crotch staring at me. And like other people have said, if enough of the community has an issue with this, "just block it" is not a solution.
  
  Also,

  You can go to the beach and see a lot more skin on people than anything I have yet to see on any signature here on mabination.

  
  
  The only place you'd see as much of a woman's skin as I've seen before on Mabination is if you went to a nudist beach.
• Milk wrote on 2012-09-12 21:29

  Quote from Valkyrio;950350:

  Did you even bother reading my post? I said forget about the word inappropriate.
  
  A bikini wouldn't be appropriate in school. Appropriate is a relative word. I'm talking about actual nudity/suggestive content. Murasaki's icon currently is cropped the way you said. I think it's fine. It's just a stomach - I know in the fullsize art she's naked, and I'm fine with that. It's a hell of a lot better than having a crotch staring at me. And like other people have said, if enough of the community has an issue with this, "just block it" is not a solution.
  
  Also,
  
  The only place you'd see as much of a woman's skin as I've seen before on Mabination is if you went to a nudist beach.

  
  
  So where the heck do you see these nudge images on mabination? o.o (besides Rua's house)
  And women in the resorts I've been to go as far as sun tanning on the beach without their tops on.
  (Think its part of the french community where that is considered to be okay.)
  You seriously need to go to the beach more if honestly believe girls don't show that much skin in public.
• Kueh wrote on 2012-09-12 22:00

  Quote from Arsik;950246:

  And as far as anyone in the Skype knows, I could have been lying to them about reporting my own post, in which case, then absolutely nobody would have reported it because they assumed/thought someone else already did

  
  
  Still inapplicable: We can talk about what if statements all day. What if Loop never made the thread in the first place? What if Osay never made Nation? What if Mabinogi never existed? None of it affects what really happens, or what really happened.
  
  Here's a what if that actually does hold some merit: What if the amount of people who actually read your post was very few? You have no way of knowing that more than 10 people saw the post, and yet you're making sweeping judgments as if everyone on nation saw it and either did nothing or gave you rep.
  
  And here's an even bigger problem with your argument at large: The members aren't held accountable for moderation. The report system isn't a way for us to police ourselves, it's a way for us to warn the mods to disagreeable posts. Why shouldn't we play favorites? I didn't agree to unbaisedly judge my fellow users when I made my account. I hold myself accountable for my own following of the rules and no one else.
  
  It's not up to me what happens when someone breaks the rules, and when I choose to report a post, it's not because I have a list of the rules and I read every post to make sure that everyone is following them. I report things that offend me, or that I think would offend other people. Which means I'm restricted to only reporting the posts that I read.
  
  (I'm not crying favoritism anyway, so this doesn't apply to me, but) I wouldn't be a hypocrite for accusing the moderation of favoritism, even if I were a blatant favoritism user, because the mods have an implicit agreement to fair, unbaised judgement, and I don't.
• Murasaki wrote on 2012-09-12 22:40
  On the favoritism issue:.
  
  We've seen people make a few claims of favoritism, and some of them are sure it's still going on. However, we still haven't gotten any PMs giving us actual details about who is favoring who. If you guys know that this is happening for sure, please PM someone on staff.
• Kazuni wrote on 2012-09-12 23:38

  Quote from Araria;950194:

  It's only a right if you make it a right.
  
  If someone's post deserves an infraction, it also deserves a report.
  You don't ignore a robbery in progress, nor do you applaud a murderer after the fact just because you hated his victims.

  
  
  The USA sure got applauded for killing Osama Bin Laden
  You could argue that he wasn't exactly the shining example of a victim, but can you honestly say that someone completely innocent of trolling or being stupid would get flamed on this site?
• Loopulse wrote on 2012-09-13 04:27

  Quote from Kazuni;950490:

  The USA sure got applauded for killing Osama Bin Laden
  You could argue that he wasn't exactly the shining example of a victim, but can you honestly say that someone completely innocent of trolling or being stupid would get flamed on this site?

  
  
  Hi. Not everyone grows up the same way or is in the same environment. Some people find some jokes funny while they find others repulsive. Just because someone's sense of humour is different, doesn't mean that you should throw a fit. I see people cussing each other out as a "joke" yet I make a "funny because it's true" kind've thing I get bashed. Why? Well because people have difference senses of humour. They might not see the joke in mine and I don't see the joke in their's.