[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-26 05:02

  Quote from Perfectio;1140541:

  "There is always a Crisis user in my party" - gensokyou and kaeporo. Sure Hail is good with Crisis, but lots of things are good with Crisis because Crisis is insanely overpowered.
  
  
  Hailstorm is really, really bad if you don't have Crisis support. And if you have Crisis support, IS + Blaze outclasses it massively for AOE DPS and CC+4 FB outclasses it massively for single target DPS. Ice Spear also provides its own crowd control which does help.

  
  
  Not everyone likes Ice Spear crowd control ):.
  And I dont like to freeze the entire room while my entire party is trying to charge their skills (and make the room clear faster)
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-08-26 05:06

  Quote from Gensokyou;1140543:

  I *AM* the crisis user.
  
  So yes.

  
  
  Okay, good luck using Hailstorm then seeing you need 10 seconds unless you snap cast. 3.5 secs if you do.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 05:12

  Quote from wallrocha;1140546:

  Not everyone likes Ice Spear crowd control ):.
  And I dont like to freeze the entire room while my entire party is trying to charge their skills (and make the room clear faster)

  
  
  Ice spear crowd control is good if you're soloing non-mana ping mobs or in sulfer spider.
  
  Apart from that...You shouldn't really be using it in a party situation unless your IS can room wipe and do more damage faster then all your other party members. Highly situational.
  
  

  Quote from Perfectio;1140547:

  Okay, good luck using Hailstorm then seeing you need 10 seconds unless you snap cast. 3.5 secs if you do.

  
  
  Who said I was the one hailstorming? You're purposefully missing the point. Good day, sir.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 11:02

  Quote from ewire123;1140460:

  Staff can also use blaze so savage ice wand is useless. I believe hermit staff give the most magic attack with all the max roll and upgrade count in.
  
  
  Edit : o wait, i don't think staff grant 100% damage for blaze. Nvm.
  
  
  After revamp, Blaze is good, fusion bolt is good, bolt is good, all int magic is good, hailstorm is good, meteor strike is good,
  ALL spell get good.
  
  Goodie.

  
  
  I'd also like to point out that not only do Savage wands give full blaze damage but they also add an additional 20% Blaze Bonus to it. Oh wait, so does combat Wand. Well either way a savage ice wand does have better upgrades than combat wand and does the the added boost of being able to cast ice spear without switching.
  
  I don't know about you but post Zero 20% Blaze Damage is better than an extra 10-20 Magic Attack that may come from Hermit Staff. Savage Ice Wand is a far superior choice due to that.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2013-08-26 12:53
  Does the Magic Damage bonus from upgrading Savage wands not apply to Blaze?
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 12:59

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1140663:

  Does the Magic Damage bonus from upgrading Savage wands not apply to Blaze?

  
  
  Becomes like 20 matk after the update, so wouldn't be that great.
  
  But I guess it would.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-26 13:18

  Quote from Gensokyou;1140664:

  Becomes like 20 matk after the update, so wouldn't be that great.
  
  But I guess it would.

  
  
  Can anyone confirm that magic damage becomes magic attack in the future? My equipment now states that it gives magic attack instead of magic damage and I see no difference. I highly doubt that aspect of magic was changed.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 13:28

  Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1140663:

  Does the Magic Damage bonus from upgrading Savage wands not apply to Blaze?

  
  
  As gen pointed out. The Savage Upgrade would be converted directly into Magic Attack. Thus the upgrade would be factored into the formula by multiplying Blaze's coefficient.
  
  However the amount is pretty small. Let's say you have 300 Magic Attack.
  
  (.03 * 300) = Blaze Damage * 9
  (.03 * 319) = Blaze Damage * 9.57
  
  Which let's say for the sake of Comparison that Blaze Damage is 500.
  
  500 * 9 = 4,500
  500 * 9.57 = 4,850
  
  The higher your blaze damage though the higher the gain will be. So I guess it isn't too bad. Better than nothing.
  
  

  Quote from Kaeporo;1140668:

  Can anyone confirm that magic damage becomes magic attack in the future? My equipment now states that it gives magic attack instead of magic damage and I see no difference. I highly doubt that aspect of magic was changed.

  
  
  Did you not see what I posted from KR test when I upgraded an Ice Crown Wand? Also look at what we translated for the screenshots I took from KR live as well. Plenty of evidence to point that this is the case.
  
  Check this post for the translations i had a Korean translate.
  http://mabination.com/threads/74288-Mabinogi-Zero-Merlin-Update-(Information-Consolidated-and-Organized)?p=1140046&viewfull=1#post1140046
  
  Check this post for the direct test I did on the upgrades
  http://mabination.com/threads/74288-Mabinogi-Zero-Merlin-Update-(Information-Consolidated-and-Organized)?p=1140119&viewfull=1#post1140119
  
  Right now it's a typo in NA. However, on KR it is not a typo unless something is also screwy with the Test Server.
  
  Translation in my upgrade test is a little screwy due to the English Patch I'm using just as an fyi. I checked without the english patch and it matched what Blanks had already translated in the first post I linked.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 13:36

  Quote from Kaeporo;1140668:

  Can anyone confirm that magic damage becomes magic attack in the future? My equipment now states that it gives magic attack instead of magic damage and I see no difference. I highly doubt that aspect of magic was changed.

  
  
  Yeah, King confirmed it with screenies and stuff from KR live just before.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-26 14:25

  Quote from Gensokyou;1140673:

  Yeah, King confirmed it with screenies and stuff from KR live just before.

  
  
  I'm not a fan of the new magic attack stat as it's not influenced by your charge multiplier. Might as well not even switch over to the hermit staff now that I know there's no damage to be found there.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 14:29

  Quote from Kaeporo;1140675:

  I'm not a fan of the new magic attack stat as it's not influenced by your charge multiplier. Might as well not even switch over to the hermit staff now that I know there's no damage to be found there.

  
  
  Only thing the Hermit Staff is really good for is Hailstorm and Meteor Strike as you get more Magic Attack in that and can special upgrade it compared to the Trinity Staff.
  
  However, even with that, the Merlin Shyllien Magic Knuckles may be the better choice as then you can at least use fighter skills with it and have a bow or handle bars as secondary.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-26 14:54
  Pre-Zero
  
  

  (Skill Max + Reforge Max )Magic Attack*Charge Multiplier*Rosemary*Trinity*S5*Critical Hit

  
  
  (300+200)1.5*6.25*1.15*1.13*1.17*2.5 = 17,817
  
  Post-Zero
  
  

  (Skill Max + Reforge Max)Charge Multiplier = Skill Damage
  ((Intelligence/5)+S5+Hermit)Coefficient = Magic Attack
  (Skill Damage + Magic Attack)Rosemary*Critical Hit

  
  
  (300+200)6.25 = 3125
  ((1000/5)+68+29)3.2 = 950
  (3125 + 950)1.15*2.5 = 11,715
  
  Where exactly has my math screwed up?
  
  If it's not screwed up, magic will have become less useful to me than combat alchemy. Useful only when snap cast and meteor strike have finished cooling down.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 15:01

  Quote from Kaeporo;1140684:

  Pre-Zero
  
  
  
  (300+200)1.5*6.25*1.15*1.13*1.17*2.5 = 17,817
  
  Post-Zero
  
  
  
  (300+200)6.25 = 3125
  ((1000/5)+68+29)3.2 = 950
  (3125 + 950)1.15*2.5 = 11,715
  
  Where exactly has my math screwed up?

  
  
  Did you factor in Ice Mastery at r1? Doesn't look like you did. Also there's Titles and prefix titles you could also try and factor in. Although those would most likely be put into the magic attack portion.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-26 15:02

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1140687:

  Did you factor in Ice Mastery at r1?

  
  
  I forgot to add it to either formula. Regardless, my damage is going to plummet if that's correct.
  
  I don't think we understand this formula properly if people are hitting 40k+ with Hail Storm overseas.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 15:04

  Quote from Kaeporo;1140688:

  I forgot to add it to either. Regardless, my damage is going to plummet if that's correct.

  
  
  It's a hard thing to test. However, I think Herro managed to get a Trinity Staff on the Test Server. Also Reforges are 500 gold each on test.
  
  I will be unable to test with Rosemary Gloves however so I can't factor that in. I also will have limited Magic Titles to work with.
  
  Going to have Herro send that over to me so I can get started on ranking Hailstorm.
  
  It'll take me a couple weeks of continuous ranking and leveling to really get high enough to test it though.