[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

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Kaeporo wrote on 2013-08-26 15:07

Quote from Kingofrunes;1140689:
It's a hard thing to test. However, I think we got a Trinity Staff on the Test Server. Also Reforges are 500 gold each on test.

I will be unable to test with Rosemary Gloves however so I can't factor that in. I also will have limited Magic Titles to work with.

It'll take me a couple weeks of continuous ranking and leveling to really get high enough to test it though.

The magic attack stat is complete garbage according to this formula. You don't need to spend weeks leveling in order to figure that out if this is the formula we've settled on. There is something fundamentally wrong with this equation.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 15:15

Quote from Kaeporo;1140690:
The magic attack stat is complete garbage according to this formula. You don't need to spend weeks leveling in order to figure that out if this is the formula we've settled on. There is something fundamentally wrong with this equation.

The Weeks leveling wasn't for the stat gain. It was to get all the AP necessary to get r1 Hailstorm and r1 Ice Mastery.

I also say weeks due to:

1) I still have NA daily stuff I need to attend to
2) I don't have a lot of time during weekdays to devote to KR test (1-2 hours max)
3) I'm the only tester on the team atm who is focusing on magic

Reason why I want r1 Hailstorm and r1 Ice Mastery in particular is so I can see for myself I can hit the numbers that KR is seeing. In theory, if I reforge a trinity staff for Hailstorm Max Damage and have r1 hailstorm and r1 ice mastery. I should hope to see significant numbers even with 70 Magic Attack if Magic attack really has that low of an impact on things.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 16:09

Quote from Kaeporo;1140684:
Pre-Zero

(300+200)1.5*6.25*1.15*1.13*1.17*2.5 = 17,817

Post-Zero

(300+200)6.25 = 3125
((1000/5)+68+29)3.2 = 950
(3125 + 950)1.15*2.5 = 11,715

Where exactly has my math screwed up?

If it's not screwed up, magic will have become less useful to me than combat alchemy. Useful only when snap cast and meteor strike have finished cooling down.

Woah, let's not jump to any conclusions there.

But yeah, i'm not convinced that this is the right formula either. It just seems like...magic attack is too useless.

I certainly give you credit though, King. You're doing a great job testing and finding stuff out, i'd rep you again if I could.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 16:14

I'm beginning to wonder if KR test has the Magic Speed fix or not. I tested Fireball charge time again to see how Casting Speed Level 18 + Fully Speed Upgraded Fire wand and r8 Magic Weapon Mastery would pan out.

With 296 int, +28% Speed Casting wand (Realized I fucked up the upgrades), +27% Charging Speed(From Reforge) I was doing 16 second fireball charges with the reforge and ugprade. So either I need more int to reduce the charge time, or the change hasn't come to the Test server yet.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 16:18

Quote from Kingofrunes;1140707:
I'm beginning to wonder if KR test has the Magic Speed fix or not. I tested Fireball charge time again to see how Casting Speed Level 18 + Fully Speed Upgraded Fire wand and r8 Magic Weapon Mastery would pan out.

With 296 int, +28% Speed Casting wand (Realized I fucked up the upgrades), +27% Charging Speed(From Reforge) I was doing 16 second fireball charges with the reforge and ugprade. So either I need more int to reduce the charge time, or the change hasn't come to the Test server yet.

18 casting speed
1.5% per level
20/1.27 = 15.7 seconds

So it depends on your upgrades and timing as to whether it's borked on test or not.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 16:22

Quote from Gensokyou;1140709:
18 casting speed
1.5% per level
20/1.27 = 15.7 seconds

So it depends on your upgrades and timing as to whether it's borked on test or not.

Well 15.7 seconds I did get on one of my casts. However, that means that atm it does not stack with speed casting upgrade or int, or magic weapon mastery.

so in other words. The Fix to Magic Speed Stacking has not been applied to test. I'll remove it from the update list until we can officially confirm it.
ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-26 16:34

Quote from Perfectio;1140541:
"There is always a Crisis user in my party" - gensokyou and kaeporo. Sure Hail is good with Crisis, but lots of things are good with Crisis because Crisis is insanely overpowered.

Hailstorm is really, really bad if you don't have Crisis support. And if you have Crisis support, IS + Blaze outclasses it massively for AOE DPS and CC+4 FB outclasses it massively for single target DPS. Ice Spear also provides its own crowd control which does help.

Most end game shit like lord and MA will almost alway have a puppeteer. If there is no puppeteer, then stop using hailstorm. Mage have plenty of other spell to use. If however, there is a puppeteer, then use hailstorm. You be a dumbass not to take advantage of that.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 16:37

Quote from ewire123;1140712:
Most end game shit like lord and MA will almost alway have a puppeteer. If there is no puppeteer, then stop using hailstorm. Mage have plenty of other spell to use. If however, there is a puppeteer, then use hailstorm. You be a dumbass not to take advantage of that.

Crisis + Ice Spear + Blaze = Done. No Hailstorm needed.

Everywhere I go, it seems that the staple for magic has once again returned to the godly blaze combos.

I wonder how the Blaze Explosion Damage Reforge works. At max level it's like 2% Explosion Damage Increase if I'm reading the reforge correctly.

So many questions, so little answers. The issue I have is I can't test Blaze very well on test server cause of the lag.

Blaze is unfair to the point where if you lag just a little, you are going to have a hard time with it.

Also back to Magic Speed Casting. Here is what I was figuring.

I have 28% charging cast speed upgrade, 27% casting speed reforge
[12:32:56 PM] Roy: and 296 int
[12:33:06 PM] Roy: 20/1.27 = 15.7
[12:33:28 PM] Roy: 20/1.55 = 12.9 in theory
[12:33:34 PM] Roy: if it was to stack properly
[12:35:41 PM] Roy: now factoring in 1,000 int and max magic weapon mastery you're looking at

20/1.8 = 11.11 seconds also in theory
[12:41:09 PM] Roy: If the speed casting is supposed to be additive I should have at least been doing 12-13 second fireball charges
[12:41:20 PM] Roy: What do you guys think?
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 16:45

Quote from Kingofrunes;1140713:
Crisis + Ice Spear + Blaze = Done. No Hailstorm needed.

Everywhere I go, it seems that the staple for magic has once again returned to the godly blaze combos.

I wonder how the Blaze Explosion Damage Reforge works. At max level it's like 2% Explosion Damage Increase if I'm reading the reforge correctly.

So many questions, so little answers. The issue I have is I can't test Blaze very well on test server cause of the lag.

Blaze is unfair to the point where if you lag just a little, you are going to have a hard time with it.

Also back to Magic Speed Casting. Here is what I was figuring.

I have 28% charging cast speed upgrade, 27% casting speed reforge
[12:32:56 PM] Roy: and 296 int
[12:33:06 PM] Roy: 20/1.27 = 15.7
[12:33:28 PM] Roy: 20/1.55 = 12.9 in theory
[12:33:34 PM] Roy: if it was to stack properly
[12:35:41 PM] Roy: now factoring in 1,000 int and max magic weapon mastery you're looking at

20/1.8 = 11.11 seconds also in theory
[12:41:09 PM] Roy: If the speed casting is supposed to be additive I should have at least been doing 12-13 second fireball charges
[12:41:20 PM] Roy: What do you guys think?

Good fucking game, 400+ ping.

And casting speed stacks additively in KR live? I thought it stacked Multiplicitivly. Like, 1.27*1.28 instead of plus.

If it stacks additively...op as sin.
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 16:49

Quote from Gensokyou;1140715:
Good fucking game, 400+ ping.

And casting speed stacks additively in KR live? I thought it stacked Multiplicitivly. Like, 1.27*1.28 instead of plus.

If it stacks additively...op as sin.

Actually quite the contrary.

1.27 * 1.28 = 1.6256
(1+.27 + .28) = 1.55

Which is how I assumed it would work.

I had Herro hop on my char to retest.

He came back with:

first round was 13.7 seconds
second round was 15.1 seconds

Once again, it's extremely hard to test due to latency.
Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-26 16:54

Quote from Kingofrunes;1140716:
Actually quite the contrary.

1.27 * 1.28 = 1.6256
(1+.27 + .28) = 1.55

Yup, I derped. For some reason, I thought it was 1+(.27*1.28+.28), which would be less.

I'm obviously drunk. Time to go home.

Which is how I assumed it would work.

I had Herro hop on my char to retest.

He came back with:

first round was 13.7 seconds
second round was 15.1 seconds

Once again, it's extremely hard to test due to latency.

I feel you in regards to latency. I wish you guys all the best.

EDIT: NOPE I DERPED AGAIN ITS STILL MORE

WELL I GUESS I JUST FUCKED UP, TIME TO PASS OUT XD
Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-26 18:27

Seems that it does stack.

[1:27:55 PM] Herro Yaki: Wand with speed and no reforges: 17.0
[1:28:49 PM] Herro Yaki: Wand with speed + reforges: 15.0

It will require a lot more tests to completely verify though.
wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-26 18:43

I don't know if you guys remember but there was a Test/Glitch before that Magic Attack was only applying on the first charge (full charged IS on my noob mage was doing barely 1k on wolves) and you could walk with Ice Spear charged.
They Changed/Fixed it a few weeks later and Ice Spear full charged was doing 2,5k+ (can't remember the exact damage) and you couldn't walk anymore.
FallenDanny wrote on 2013-08-26 19:12

Quote from wallrocha;1140730:
I don't know if you guys remember but there was a Test/Glitch before that Magic Attack was only applying on the first charge (full charged IS on my noob mage was doing barely 1k on wolves) and you could walk with Ice Spear charged.
They Changed/Fixed it a few weeks later and Ice Spear full charged was doing 2,5k+ (can't remember the exact damage) and you couldn't walk anymore.

This is very good, I was worried that it was intended for it to apply only to the first charge.
ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-26 19:40

Quote from Kingofrunes;1140713:
Crisis + Ice Spear + Blaze = Done. No Hailstorm needed.

Everywhere I go, it seems that the staple for magic has once again returned to the godly blaze combos.

I wonder how the Blaze Explosion Damage Reforge works. At max level it's like 2% Explosion Damage Increase if I'm reading the reforge correctly.

So many questions, so little answers. The issue I have is I can't test Blaze very well on test server cause of the lag.

Blaze is unfair to the point where if you lag just a little, you are going to have a hard time with it.

Also back to Magic Speed Casting. Here is what I was figuring.

I have 28% charging cast speed upgrade, 27% casting speed reforge
[12:32:56 PM] Roy: and 296 int
[12:33:06 PM] Roy: 20/1.27 = 15.7
[12:33:28 PM] Roy: 20/1.55 = 12.9 in theory
[12:33:34 PM] Roy: if it was to stack properly
[12:35:41 PM] Roy: now factoring in 1,000 int and max magic weapon mastery you're looking at

20/1.8 = 11.11 seconds also in theory
[12:41:09 PM] Roy: If the speed casting is supposed to be additive I should have at least been doing 12-13 second fireball charges
[12:41:20 PM] Roy: What do you guys think?

But that combo is more for soloing.

Hailstorm is more party friendly, no cockblock with ice spear.

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