[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-28 18:27
  I bought this yesterday and went into some testing
  

  [Image: http://i.imgur.com/31YNuon.jpg]

  
  
  I was doing 8.2k with my Fire+Ice fusion critical on Emerald Bisons without it
  With the hat I was doing around 9k~10 so my guess is that magic reforges that add % counds in the final damage before applying critical multiply? I am not very good at testing things ):
  
  
  It seems that this person is an active mage on KR and know alot of stuff and is answering questions:
  

  [Video: http://youtu.be/ds1CSav3Ggs]

  
  There are alot of infos already in the comments.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-28 20:38

  Quote from wallrocha;1141523:

  so my guess is that magic reforges that add % counds in the final damage before applying critical multiply?[/video]
  There are alot of infos already in the comments.

  
  
  Most of that info is what we have already re-hashed here.
  
  Anyways I've been doing calculations assuming any % modifiers are applied to the damage after (Spell Damage + (MAttack * Coefficient)) has taken place and then to do the charge multiplier after that.
  
  The higher the Magic Attack the more useful the % modifiers will be just as an FYI.
  
  For example here is what I figured with Meteor Strike with Fire Mastery title vs Meteor Master
  
  (16200 + (500 * 30)) * 1.25 = 39,000
  (16200 + (550 * 30)) * 1.15 = 37,605
  
  Fire Mastery title added an extra 1.4k damage as non crit compared to Meteor Master
  
  However there's other cases where a single item like say rosemary gloves will make one title more appealing than the other. One such case is hailstorm with ice mastery title vs Meteor Master.
  
  Without rosemaries, I calculated it out that ice mastery title would deal more than Meteor Master. However when I threw rosemaries in the equation, meteor master title won out.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-28 20:49

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1141570:

  Most of that info is what we have already re-hashed here.
  
  Anyways I've been doing calculations assuming any % modifiers are applied to the damage after (Spell Damage + (MAttack * Coefficient)) has taken place and then to do the charge multiplier after that.
  
  The higher the Magic Attack the more useful the % modifiers will be just as an FYI.
  
  For example here is what I figured with Meteor Strike with Fire Mastery title vs Meteor Master
  
  (16200 + (500 * 30)) * 1.25 = 39,000
  (16200 + (550 * 30)) * 1.15 = 37,605
  
  Fire Mastery title added an extra 1.4k damage as non crit compared to Meteor Master
  
  However there's other cases where a single item like say rosemary gloves will make one title more appealing than the other. One such case is hailstorm with ice mastery title vs Meteor Master.
  
  Without rosemaries, I calculated it out that ice mastery title would deal more than Meteor Master. However when I threw rosemaries in the equation, meteor master title won out.

  
  
  So, Meteor Master is better for Hailstorm than Ice Master?
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-08-28 20:50
  This thread exploded overnight.
  
  What'd I miss? Too much back and forthing, what's the conclusions at the moment?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-28 20:53

  Quote from wallrocha;1141575:

  So, Meteor Master is better for Hailstorm than Ice Master?

  
  
  300 Magic Attack: (No Rosemary)
  Ice Mastery master: (300 + (300 * 3.4)) * 1.25 * 6.25 = 10,312.5
  Meteror Master: (300 + (350 * 3.4)) * 1.15 * 6.25 = 10,709.375
  
  300 Magic Attack w/ rosemary
  Ice Mastery master: (300 + (300 * 3.4)) * 1.4 * 6.25 = 11,550
  Meteror Master: (300 + (350 * 3.4)) * 1.3 * 6.25 = 12,106.25
  
  500 Magic Attack: (No Rosemary)
  Ice Mastery master: (300 +(500 * 3.4)) * 1.25 * 6.25 = 15,625
  Meteror Master: (300 +(550 * 3.4)) * 1.15 * 6.25 = 15,597
  
  500 Magic Attack w/ Rosemary
  Ice Mastery master: (300 +(500 * 3.4)) * 1.4 * 6.25 = 17,500
  Meteror Master: (300 +(550 * 3.4)) * 1.3 * 6.25 = 17,631.25
  
  

  Quote from Gensokyou;1141577:

  This thread exploded overnight.
  
  What'd I miss? Too much back and forthing, what's the conclusions at the moment?

  
  
  Conclusion is in the OP. The magic formula is 95% correct. It's off by at most 100 damage.
  
  (Spell Damage + (Magic Attack * Spell Coefficient)) * (1+Elemental masteries+Elemental mastery reforges+element mastery titles) * Charge Multplier = Final Magic Damage
  
  Also we found that the magic attack pot was scaled from +20 magic attack to +80 magic attack.
• Perfectio wrote on 2013-08-28 21:28

  Quote from Kaeporo;1141407:

  Ice Spear is probably the most useful skill in the middle room of sulfur spider because of how nicely it handles the grouped mobs, especially when you don't land a critical hit. It's far from the best option in other rooms, however, with Climactic Crash hitting upwards of 50k, Shooting Rush hitting upwards of 20k, and Crash Shot hitting upwards of 15k.

  
  
  Ice Spear with the kind of stats/gear you'd need to hit the numbers you posted for those skills would hit upwards of 30k, while coming out faster than the Crisis + Climatic setup (maybe under 4 seconds if you're lucky enough to get some speedcast on top of the IS reforge, and of course we're assuming an endgame Vivace seeing those numbers need an endgame Battlefield) and about as fast as aiming Crash (and even faster with Snapcast).
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-28 22:11
  Wow cool, no more title swaping.
  
  

  Quote from Kingofrunes;1141580:

  Also we found that the magic attack pot was scaled from +20 magic attack to +80 magic attack.

  
  
  Jesus thats 400 int in a potion. Time to buy premium.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-29 00:48
  wonder when mabinogi NA will decide to release Scath title (+40 MA)
• radionoise wrote on 2013-08-29 00:50

  Quote from ewire123;1141684:

  wonder when mabinogi NA will decide to release Scath title (+40 MA)

  
  
  It's already released. It's just not x4'd yet.
  
  If you didn't get it during title coupon gacha then you are out of luck.
• ewire123 wrote on 2013-08-29 00:51

  Quote from radionoise;1141685:

  It's already released. It's just not x4'd yet.
  
  If you didn't get it during title coupon gacha then you are out of luck.

  
  
  Really? Never saw it in mari. Even rarer than Nao.....
• radionoise wrote on 2013-08-29 00:53
  I only saw like 1 be sold during that gacha. Most ppl just settled for succ. kristell or rua.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-29 00:53
  At the very least we have Succubus Kristell. Sure it's not going to be 40 magic attack but it will still be a respectable 32 Magic attack which is what I'll just have to settle with.
• wallrocha wrote on 2013-08-29 01:24
  From what i've seen/heard, no one got it on Tarlach. At least no one that knew how rare it was and tried to sell or used it. ._.
  I decided to go with Adniel for the critical and it was super cheap.
• SUNFLARE wrote on 2013-08-30 10:18
  Luck now increases the chance for Ranged Skills to miss passively without the use of Evasion.
  
  How Badly will this effect range ??
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-08-30 11:38
  I'm currently investigating Blaze. What I have so far for info is:
  
  http://mabinogi.nexon.com/C3/Community/kin/mkn.asp?bbs_mode=view&num=502082&list_mode=all&level_mode=&depth1_mode=&depth2_mode=&realrequest=&requestword=&page=1
  1.
  중첩 대미지 스킬 ( 파이어볼트, 아이스스피어, 헤일스톰 ) :
  [ 마법 스킬 자체 대미지 + 마법 공격력 계수 추가 대미지 x 마법 공격력 ] x 마법 스킬 차징횟수
  단독 대미지 스킬 ( 아이스/라이트닝 볼트, 썬더, 파이어볼, 쇼크웨이브 등 ) :
  [ 마법 스킬 자체 대미지 + 마법 공격력 계수 추가 대미지 x 마법 공격력 ]
  특수 대미지 스킬 ( 블레이즈 ) :
  [ 마법 스킬 자체 대미지 x ( 마법 공격력x계수 ) x 타격용 원드 대미지 증가 (12) x 매직 마스터리 대미지 증가 x 다운 게이지의 증폭 ] ( 부가적인 제보 받습니다 )
  
  2. 최댐이 적용받긴합니다 그러나 매우미미하여 신경쓰지않습니다
  크리티컬은 위에적은 대미지공식 * 크리티컬퍼센트로 적용시키면됩니다
  
  3.인챈은 제가 어떻게추천드려야할지 잘모르겟습니다 ;ㅅ;
  
  http://mabinogi.gameabout.com/attribute/view.ga?id=129&row_no=6289
  What you can take from that particular article is
  -Blaze Coefficient was later changed to 0.03.
  - .6 was a typo on that page and should have been 0.06 which was the original value before Devcat nerfed it down to 0.03
  -This was assuming r1 Blaze and r1 Magic Mastery with a combat wand.
  -Combat Wand Multiplier is 12, Non Combat Wand Multiplier is 7
  -120 * (Magic Attack * 0.03 +4.0) * 12 * 1.2 * 0.7
  
  However when I tested it on raccoons this is the result I got:
  72 Magic Attack
  r9 Blaze
  r3 Magic Mastery
  Combat Wand
  Fully Charged Blaze on Raccon
  No KB
  
  76 Initial
  454 explosion damage
  
  So right now I'm not really sure why my numbers aren't coming close to the formula.
  
  

  Quote from SUNFLARE;1142166:

  Luck now increases the chance for Ranged Skills to miss passively without the use of Evasion.
  
  How Badly will this effect range ??

  
  
  You misinterpreted it. It's saying that the more luck you have the more chance that an enemies or a player's ranged skill will miss you if you don't use evasion.
  
  From a PvE standpoint your ranged is the same, it's just that enemy archers will miss you more if you have higher luck. From a PvP standpoint, if you fight someone who has high luck, ya you're going to feel the hurt there.