[Mabinogi] Zero Merlin Update (Information Consolidated and Organized)

• Aubog007 wrote on 2013-09-10 03:45

  Quote from wallrocha;1146260:

  Or I can just use it two times with bare hands, if the damage vary, he (and the wiki) is wrong. End of case.

  
  
  You don't know what a bell curve is.
  100% balance is 50/50.
  
  
  @gen, testing magical balance now in KR is tricky due to int requirements.
  Testing balance now is only applicable if you have the int for it.
  Also highly irrelevant due to future changes.
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-09-10 03:49

  Quote from Zeo;1146223:

  [SPOILER="snip"]Okay so I skimmed through about last 20 pages for this thread.
  
  I'm still not getting how magic is nerfed like what Zekkii (and few others) is talking about, If I remembered correctly, according to Ewire123's post a while ago that reforges will do less noticeable damages in post-Zero update compared to pre-ero update.
  
  I also remember that right when Zero patch came out to Korea Mabi, they made few mistakes when making the magic formula, that the additive damage only applies to one charge. I thought it doesn't exist anymore now, since additive damage from your int is added onto your base damage and is multipled, depending on how many charges you have (also dependent on magic skills).
  
  Ice spear, hailstorm, and firebolt would get "nerfed" yeah... but only if you have low int that you end up doing little less damages than it supposed to be, pre-Zero even with same "low Int you have but for pre-Zero update... if you have like.. for example, 1000 Int, you'd be hitting good damage, but for post-Zero, you would be hitting better damage with Firebolt, Ice spear, and Hailstorm than what you can do for pre-Zero, right?
  
  Sorry if my post seem confusing, my head isn't working right now.[/SPOILER]

  
  I wouldn't really say anything was nerfed, save Ice Spear, just that it isn't beginner friendly. Keep in mind that breaking even isn't exactly terrific. Complete endgame mages should have 1300 to 1500 intelligence (with set) so it should definitely be at least a bit of buff to all of their spells. I tried to highlight the damage differences in this post. What I didn't really touch on is the following:
  
  -Magic Weapon Mastery, once ranked, will provide amazing damage bolts and a 15% speed modifier for intemediate magics
  -Meteor Strike and Instant Cast will both provide heavy burst-cooldown DPS
  -Spell Walk will help with pre-charging and when you just happen to get a few feet out of range
  -When mastered, Meteor Strike provides a similar damage boost to elemental titles (or more at lower magic attack) as well as effecting all magic spells and not just those of a single elemental type
  -Blaze should also provide incredibly increased DPS, although I am very hesitant to say much about this due to lack of information
  
  So yes, I do believe that magic damage and magic in general are getting buffed. I am concerned that it may not be enough to bring magic up to par with other skillsets though.
  

  Quote from wallrocha;1146260:

  Or I can just use it two times with bare hands, if the damage vary, he (and the wiki) is wrong. End of case.

  
  It should result in as 50% max damage, and 50% something less than max damage (even 1 less) at 100% balance.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 03:59

  Quote from Zekkii;1146263:

  stuff + thisI am concerned that it may not be enough to bring magic up to par with other skillsets though.

  
  
  Indeed, i'd say that on the whole Magic is being buffed about as much as Alchemy, which isn't enough to bring it up to other skillsets unless all you do is meteor storm/firebolt/blaze (assuming a great blaze buff).
  
  And Mage doesn't have the utility to back it up, so it probably needs another buff.
  
  [S]will cry if someone says ice spear is utility w/1 charge[/S]
  
  

  It should result in as 50% max damage, and 50% something less than max damage (even 1 less) at 100% balance.

  
  
  This is how it works. Stupid probability.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-09-10 04:10

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146266:

  Indeed, i'd say that on the whole Magic is being buffed about as much as Alchemy, which isn't enough to bring it up to other skillsets unless all you do is meteor storm/firebolt/blaze (assuming a great blaze buff).
  
  And Mage doesn't have the utility to back it up, so it probably needs another buff.
  
  [S]will cry if someone says ice spear is utility w/1 charge[/S]
  
  This is how it works. Stupid probability.

  
  
  Magic doesn't need another buff. We need more challenging content.
  
  The usefulness of Puppetry as an offensive talent would plummet if enemies could tank an icebolt.
• Kaeporo wrote on 2013-09-10 04:10

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146266:

  Indeed, i'd say that on the whole Magic is being buffed about as much as Alchemy, which isn't enough to bring it up to other skillsets unless all you do is meteor storm/firebolt/blaze (assuming a great blaze buff).
  
  And Mage doesn't have the utility to back it up, so it probably needs another buff.
  
  [S]will cry if someone says ice spear is utility w/1 charge[/S]
  
  This is how it works. Stupid probability.

  
  
  Magic doesn't need another buff. We need more challenging content.
  
  The usefulness of Puppetry as an offensive talent would plummet if enemies could tank an icebolt.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 04:18

  Quote from Kaeporo;1146267:

  Magic doesn't need another buff. We need more challenging content.
  
  The usefulness of Puppetry as an offensive talent would plummet if enemies could tank an icebolt.

  
  
  Need both.
  
  If enemies couldn't tank icebolt, then why don't I see people running around with cc ice wands O_o
• MIKEHUNT wrote on 2013-09-10 04:37

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146270:

  Need both.
  
  If enemies couldn't tank icebolt, then why don't I see people running around with cc ice wands O_o

  
  
  Because there's AoE that can hit harder... Although it would be funny to see after revamp someone try to make an ice bolt build using a combo card like kaeporos AR card...
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 04:39

  Quote from MIKEHUNT;1146275:

  Because there's AoE that can hit harder... Although it would be funny to see after revamp someone try to make an ice bolt build using a combo card like kaeporos AR card...

  
  
  I'm going to try to make a firebolt one.
  
  Inb4 broke
• Silverkun wrote on 2013-09-10 05:10

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146234:

  The inability, or disinclination, to disprove a claim does not render that claim valid, nor give it any credence whatsoever. However it is important to note that we can never be certain of anything, and so we must assign value to any claim based on the available evidence, and to dismiss something on the basis that it hasn't been proven beyond all doubt is also fallacious reasoning.

  
  
  ...
  
  If only the world actually followed these simple ideas, it would be an infinitely better place.
  
  EDIT: This isn't a statement against anyone involved in this discussion or anything of that sort. I'm just saying, it would be really really nice if people actually followed this.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 05:15

  Quote from Silverkun;1146292:

  ...
  
  If only the world actually followed these simple ideas, it would be an infinitely better place.
  
  EDIT: This isn't a statement against anyone involved in this discussion or anything of that sort. I'm just saying, it would be really really nice if people actually followed this.

  
  
  I try my best. It's why i'm open to stat update tweaks.
  
  [S]and stand against fashion updates[/S]
• Zekkii wrote on 2013-09-10 06:13
  I said earlier in the thread the fusion bolt reforge is inferior or equal to that of a bolt damage, but looking back it should provide more damage due to where it calculates. For fusion at least. Just thought I should correct that.
• MIKEHUNT wrote on 2013-09-10 06:44
  So any idea when the MAGIC and ALCHEMIST revamps will come approximately?
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-10 07:40

  Quote from MIKEHUNT;1146325:

  So any idea when the MAGIC and ALCHEMIST revamps will come approximately?

  
  
  Traditionally NA is usually 6 weeks behind JP. So we are waiting on JP atm. The SAO event most likely pushed it back a bit. So when JP gets it, you can use the 6 week tradition as some sort of measure. At best 2 months, at worst 3-5 months.
• Gensokyou wrote on 2013-09-10 08:23

  Quote from Gensokyou;1145868:

  I checked the OP and wiki, but didn't find this - Do we have any information on how much Talent exp the new skills give, if any?

  
  
  Bumping this.
• Kingofrunes wrote on 2013-09-10 08:25

  Quote from Gensokyou;1146339:

  Bumping this.

  
  
  None. Meteor Strike, Instant Casting, and Mobile Casting don't give Talent Experience.
  
  Magic Weapon Mastery does however. Seems to be Mage Talent Talent exp. Unsure on the amount though.
  
  At Rank 9 it says 9,000 Exp, so we can assume that it isn't going to give a whole lot of talent exp. Hope that helps.
  
  The Armour and Shield Masteries give Close Combat Experience.
  
  At rE Light Armour Mastery I'm seeing 1500 Exp
  At rD Shield Mastery I'm seeing 3500 Exp