Ninja skills are a bit underwhelming?

• ironwoman wrote on 2014-07-29 02:34

  Quote from Stevenjr626;1235685:

  I got the master title and the 10 seconds is nice. I can usually pul out my guns and start shooting mobs easily and kill them within the 10 second shadow bind or just shadow bind again haha xD
  
  I just want to try to see my max damage without reforges first. Then when My stats become near end game, that will be the time where I will consider reforging because eventually I will hit a wall. The only reforged Weapon I use is one someone sold to me . My R5 HLB Fire 6.

  
  
  The only thing better about shadow bind is the part that you can use it over and over again, essentially being able to lock down enemies. Now the question comes in whether if you would actually need to lock down enemies. I'll say this, I'm probably a player that you can say is one of the player that have more dependence on enchants than reforges, since only things nicely reforged are my weapons, and my gloves, which still isn't even r1. Try finding a player that uses Encore Champion armor with Steel Needle gloves that don't have most of their gears reforged, you most likely won't. A lullaby and crash shot/climactic crash is enough to wipe mobs out. So in my case, which is actually most of the case, lullaby becomes the skill that does better job of locking down enemies for an extended period of the time. I'll also point out that music buff effect and duration will increase lullaby time as well, so for even longer extended lock-down of enemies, another thing to consider.
  
  I really wish they reworked some Ninja skills to be actually more useful. For example, shuriken charge can be much more like blaze right now. Or better reforge scaling, because the shuriken mastery damage reforge is a disappointment compared to dual gun reforge.
• Sebbies wrote on 2014-07-29 03:08

  Quote from ironwoman;1235583:

  Hate to break it to you... but I'll speak for the current state of Ninja skills right now.
  Currently, almost every one of Ninja skills' damage/utility falls behind. Shadow bind? Easily surpassed by Lullaby. Smokescreen's defense reduction is pretty lulzy considering that your damage will make that reduction negligible. Shuriken charge has very inefficient damage for how long you have to charge, I wish this skill was really more like blaze. Explosive Kunai's cast animation/time is way too long to be actually used for the intended purpose, and Kunai storm still gets outclassed by skills like shooting rush and crash shot. Sakura abyss's cooldown is way too damn long to actually render it consistently useful. Shadow cloak is the only truly unique skill out of Ninja skills, but if you're gonna carry around a shuriken just to hide while giving up other utilities/damage other skillsets have to provide... it's not really worth it to carry a shuriken.

  
  
  Regarding the bolded, more than a few people I know (and even more on Nexon forums) have been propping up smokescreen's usefulness because of that defense reduction-- enough to the point where I thought they changed how defense damage reduction works (also happened with dex defense piercing to a lesser extent).
  
  As for ninja being underwhelming, from the bits I've seen (nothing too heavily reforged, just standard enchanted/R6 shurikens) it's not bad at all, it just gets terribly outclassed by the overpowered skillsets.
• Stevenjr626 wrote on 2014-07-29 03:23

  Quote from ironwoman;1235718:

  The only thing better about shadow bind is the part that you can use it over and over again, essentially being able to lock down enemies. Now the question comes in whether if you would actually need to lock down enemies. I'll say this, I'm probably a player that you can say is one of the player that have more dependence on enchants than reforges, since only things nicely reforged are my weapons, and my gloves, which still isn't even r1. Try finding a player that uses Encore Champion armor with Steel Needle gloves that don't have most of their gears reforged, you most likely won't. A lullaby and crash shot/climactic crash is enough to wipe mobs out. So in my case, which is actually most of the case, lullaby becomes the skill that does better job of locking down enemies for an extended period of the time. I'll also point out that music buff effect and duration will increase lullaby time as well, so for even longer extended lock-down of enemies, another thing to consider.
  
  I really wish they reworked some Ninja skills to be actually more useful. For example, shuriken charge can be much more like blaze right now. Or better reforge scaling, because the shuriken mastery damage reforge is a disappointment compared to dual gun reforge.

  
  
  I do agree when you say "Crash shot and Climactic crash" because that is mostly the case with me. I use lullaby then Act 7. It does the job much quicker then locking them over and what not. I do wish they reworked the ninja skils. Sadly im disappointed. However, the stats are great in my opinion and are definitely worth grinding for see that I mainly use puppets, lance, .
• ironwoman wrote on 2014-07-29 03:53

  Quote from Stevenjr626;1235723:

  I do agree when you say "Crash shot and Climactic crash" because that is mostly the case with me. I use lullaby then Act 7. It does the job much quicker then locking them over and what not. I do wish they reworked the ninja skils. Sadly im disappointed. However, the stats are great in my opinion and are definitely worth grinding for see that I mainly use puppets, lance, .

  
  
  Exactly, people use the skillset as a stat grinder, not really as a new main class.
  Hell, even bowmill outclasses many AoE skills.