Thoughts on Renovation?

• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-17 01:49

  Quote from Darkboy132;1275224:

  Yes, thank you, finally someone gets what I've been driving at.

  
  Please try to push that after we have int magic going 9000000mph. I'm unsure how hard my mana is going to tank when all my magic is now approaching the same mana/s as my firebolt, but I can assure you its not going to be pretty.
  
  THAT is what I'm trying to push as well. EVERY other magic is going to lean towards the trend of firebolt. AND I QUOTE MYSELF.
  
  

  Quote from Esileruf;1275207:

  Any mage worth their balls, and if for some reason due to magic getting faster for the THIRD time, yes, THIRD. Vivace, Casting Speed Reforge, and now the load time reduction, that mages are somehow going to be able to keep up with draining MP at that rate, you have another thing coming.
  

  
  
  Because fireball is 20mp/2 seconds without any modifiers. You already know how brutal ice spear is on humans, and thunder generally drains less than both. I doubt they nerfed the mana cost for meteor but I could be wrong. And Hailstorm still sucks mana.
  Lightning rod's MP cost is bullshit and it IS reduced by modifiers. It by all rights should be doubled.
  and, 25s cd shockwave, yeah...
  
  Can I push with 1000 mana using 100mp/25 seconds to get shit off my ass instead of blocking with mana shield and actually using counter/spellwalk defensively? Cause my stamina pool generally doesn't change unless I turn on spellwalk and forget to switch it off.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-17 02:03

  Quote from Esileruf;1275226:

  I doubt they nerfed the mana cost for meteor but I could be wrong.

  
  
  https://youtu.be/6eOfA9NPV9U?t=1m14s
  
  113 -> 83 = 30. 8 mana is being used per second (which is C-A's mana cost per sec currently). Rank F Pre-Renovation Meteor uses 50 mana total.
  
  That said, they didn't modify Hail's 4 mp per sec, so it's using +40 mp more after for its full duration.
• Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2015-05-17 02:12
  This sword was mad with 97 Max, did the first upgrades and enchant already, hopefully this'll become something decent later on.
  
  

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• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-17 02:17

  Quote from Darkboy132;1275229:

  https://youtu.be/6eOfA9NPV9U?t=1m14s
  
  113 -> 83 = 30. 8 stamina is being used per second (which is C-A's mana cost per sec currently). Rank F Pre-Renovation Meteor uses 50 mana total.

  
  
  [S]That is assuming, since that is test client on KR, that they didn't fix that ninny of a damn bug. They forgot to scrunch meteor's mp cost time. It ain't mana reduction either because its impossible to reduce 40% clean-
  Is the guy's staff druid? Cause that can be -30% there.
  
  Regardless of it, I damn hope that ain't the case. It'd take someone ripping the data from the client on the mainservers to truly find out-
  Give me five minutes. I'll edit this once I find it.[/S]
  
  https://youtu.be/ayqs_QS0p4g?t=15m9s
  YEP
  YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT.
  SON
  OF
  A
  DEVCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-17 02:25

  Quote from Esileruf;1275232:

  [S]That is assuming, since that is test client on KR, that they didn't fix that ninny of a damn bug. They forgot to scrunch meteor's mp cost time. It ain't mana reduction either because its impossible to reduce 40% clean-
  Is the guy's staff druid? Cause that can be -30% there.
  
  Regardless of it, I damn hope that ain't the case. It'd take someone ripping the data from the client on the mainservers to truly find out-
  Give me five minutes. I'll edit this once I find it.[/S]

  
  
  https://youtu.be/FRssEq1i43k?t=11m35s
  
  Some 510 going to some 490 with a Hermit, it's a little hard to see but, yeah.
  
  

  https://youtu.be/ayqs_QS0p4g?t=15m9s
  YEP
  YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT.
  SON
  OF
  A
  BITCH
  DEVCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

  
  
  Magic Renovation: Proves DevCAT doesn't know what they're doing with Mana consumption.
  
  I'm honestly baffled as you are when I first found it.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-17 02:30
  That's gotta be a bug.
  I refuse for that to actually have been a conscious "feature".
  I fucking refuse.
  That is literally about forgetting to change the mana per second in the code for meteor.
  I can accept them going bonkers with Lightning Rod, Doubling or perhaps pushing it to a % would be better. Its even affected by mana cost reductions. I tested goddamn blaze and the mechanics are the same for chrissakes.
  But this is too much.
  I'm gonna go drown in a few gallons of Grape-flavored Crush.
  
  EDIT:
  Gif to summarize this:
  

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• kaozking wrote on 2015-05-17 02:53

  Quote from Darkboy132;1275222:

  >.> Well fine, because no one is budging at all. Most of my points have just been [S]completely ignored[/S] brushed aside anyway, so what's the point of continuing.
  
  Enjoy having 100% mana 24/7. Oh wait, you've already had that before Mana Recovery.

  
  
  Noone completely ignored your points we can have mana 24/7 no matter what because of mana pots not because of meditation. You dont mage but you're speaking as if you are one.
  
  Meteor edit : I hope you guys know rank Novice meteor takes 50 mana total and the radius of that meteor looks like novice.
• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-17 03:01

  Quote from kaozking;1275239:

  You dont mage but you're speaking as if you are one.

  
  
  

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  I don't mage you say?
  
  

  Meteor edit : I hope you guys know rank Novice meteor takes 50 mana total and the radius of that meteor looks like novice.

  
  
  Except that is not 50 MP being used in any of the three videos, nor are any of them Novice/F.
  
  [video=youtube;tk41lmcuyy4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk41lmcuyy4[/video]
  
  This is novice/F.
  
  [video=youtube;DDQq7x7pJoY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQq7x7pJoY[/video]
  
  This is C, B, and A.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-17 03:06

  Quote from kaozking;1275239:

  
  Meteor edit : I hope you guys know rank Novice meteor takes 50 mana total and the radius of that meteor looks like novice.

  
  
  The difference between novice and rC is 100 distance.
  I'm fairly certain kingofrunes doesn't have novice meteor in KR live servers, and the distance dwarfs half the fireball range in the video.
  
  30 mp is still inordinately small. Even if it was actively reduced 40%, that makes meteor at r1 a 120MP cost spell, before any modifiers.
• kaozking wrote on 2015-05-17 03:08

  Quote from Esileruf;1275243:

  The difference between novice and rC is 100 distance.
  I'm fairly certain kingofrunes doesn't have novice meteor in KR live servers, and the distance dwarfs half the fireball range in the video.
  
  30 mp is still inordinately small. Even if it was actively reduced 40%, that makes meteor at r1 a 120MP cost spell, before any modifiers.

  
  
  50 x 0.4 = 20. 50-20 = 30 mp for meteor cost and 30 mp is being used to do that meteor. how2math
  
  Edit : Also the guy in Esile's video is using meditation so the cost will look like less.
• Oberynn wrote on 2015-05-17 03:10
  But why does it matter?
• M wrote on 2015-05-17 03:12
  I'm all for differing opinions and such but let's be tone it down.
• Esileruf wrote on 2015-05-17 03:12

  Quote from kaozking;1275244:

  50 x 0.4 = 20. 50-20 = 30 mp for meteor cost and 30 mp is being used to do that meteor. how2math

  
  
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  http://mabination.com/threads/83744-Mabinogi-KR-Renovation-Magic-Update-%28Consolidated-and-Organized%29
  Meteor does not have this variable edited apparently. Its like they forgot it.
  Oh wait. That's got a good probability of being what happened.
  
  Also, @Darkboy: I'm gonna wait till the update comes out to actually be able to articulate fully on if a mage going full out gets their cup to runneth over with mana recovery, or if it requires a few potions to keep from running dry.
• kaozking wrote on 2015-05-17 03:15

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  http://mabination.com/threads/83744-Mabinogi-KR-Renovation-Magic-Update-%28Consolidated-and-Organized%29
  Meteor does not have this variable edited apparently. Its like they forgot it.
  Oh wait. That's got a good probability of being what happened.

  
  
  

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  Edit : Also the guy in Esile's video is using meditation so the cost will look like less.

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• Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-17 03:20

  Quote from kaozking;1275244:

  50 x 0.4 = 20. 50-20 = 30 mp for meteor cost and 30 mp is being used to do that meteor. how2math

  
  
  Unfortunately, that's not how it works.
  
  

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  Mana is consumed by a set amount per second and ends off with how long it takes to cast. As what Esil said, the mana mod processing for Meteor wasn't touched.
  
  

  Edit : Also the guy in Esile's video is using meditation so the cost will look like less.

  
  
  Was Meditation used in any of the two videos I linked? Like I said, Rank Novice/F was clearly not used.