Thoughts on Renovation?

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Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2015-04-29 00:11

On the usefulness of the Bleeding debuff on swords: It finishes off the monsters whenever that annoying Deadly status triggers.
It also goes through the protection of certain monsters, I believe.
Oberynn wrote on 2015-04-29 00:45

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1272827:
On the usefulness of the Bleeding debuff on swords: It finishes off the monsters whenever that annoying Deadly status triggers.
It also goes through the protection of certain monsters, I believe.

Yep, it's not like we even NEEDED these debuffs yet we still got them and they have some neat and convenient uses.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-29 02:51

Quote from Snowie Stormflower;1272827:
On the usefulness of the Bleeding debuff on swords: It finishes off the monsters whenever that annoying Deadly status triggers.

Which can also be accomplished with Icebolt or Assault.

It also goes through the protection of certain monsters, I believe.

Most other DoTs are usually stronger, though this largely depends (e.g. 100% protection Macha vs Invulnerable Arc Lich).
Kapra wrote on 2015-04-29 02:54

Quote from Darkboy132;1272778:
... That's pretty lousy. It doesn't make Warrior Smash any better than Lance Smash.

And why do you think it's supposed to be? You don't want to completely replace one content with another, that's the problem DevCAT has been trying to fix. They want to make them all interesting without one completely making another obsolete.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-29 03:24

Quote from Kapra;1272856:
And why do you think it's supposed to be? You don't want to completely replace one content with another, that's the problem DevCAT has been trying to fix. They want to make them all interesting without one completely making another obsolete.

... What.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/93/Final_Hit.png]
> everything.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/d/d8/Bash.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/2/29/Smash.png]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/2/2a/Rage_Impact.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/4/44/Berserk.png]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/6/6e/Dual_Wield_Mastery.png]
+
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/4/4a/Sword_Mastery.png]
>=
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/e/ec/Lance_Mastery.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/fb/Axe_Mastery.png]
/
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/d/dc/Blunt_Mastery.png]

Anyway, my point is, Smash debuffs are just pretty moot and doesn't make Warrior Smash worth using over Bash or Lance Smash. It's still a petty 1:1 skill that greatly interferes with party play outside of mobs with Adv Heavy.
Rydian wrote on 2015-04-29 03:28

Trying and doing aren't the same thing, yo.
Crhymez wrote on 2015-04-29 07:06

Quote from Darkboy132;1272861:
... What.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/9/93/Final_Hit.png]
> everything.

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/d/d8/Bash.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/2/29/Smash.png]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/2/2a/Rage_Impact.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/4/44/Berserk.png]

[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/6/6e/Dual_Wield_Mastery.png]
+
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/4/4a/Sword_Mastery.png]
>=
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/e/ec/Lance_Mastery.png]
>
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/f/fb/Axe_Mastery.png]
/
[Image: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/images/d/dc/Blunt_Mastery.png]

Anyway, my point is, Smash debuffs are just pretty moot and doesn't make Warrior Smash worth using over Bash or Lance Smash. It's still a petty 1:1 skill that greatly interferes with party play outside of mobs with Adv Heavy.

Do you think they will "adjust" Final Hits damage? I think by now its pretty well accepted by to community its a bit too strong.
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-04-29 08:05

Quote from Crhymez;1272888:
Do you think they will "adjust" Final Hits damage? I think by now its pretty well accepted by to community its a bit too strong.

Unless the Chapter 7 director isn't the same guy as the Chapter 6 one and isn't insane as the Chapter 4/5 and 6 ones, I doubt it.

Everyone has their own opinion. People like being overpowered, people prefer the game to be more balanced and stable.
Syliara wrote on 2015-04-29 08:24

Quote from Darkboy132;1272894:
Unless the Chapter 7 director isn't the same guy as the Chapter 6 one and isn't insane as the Chapter 4/5 and 6 ones, I doubt it.

Everyone has their own opinion. People like being overpowered, people prefer the game to be more balanced and stable.

Mabi is far from balanced and unless it gets a huge overhaul it probably never will be. At this point its just fun to mess around and see how high u can make the numbers go and make speed runs of content more efficient. I'd say just enjoy the updates as best u can, and if you dont like an update, hope the next one will bring something you enjoy to the game.
Twin wrote on 2015-05-01 00:24

Quote from Crhymez;1272888:
Do you think they will "adjust" Final Hits damage? I think by now its pretty well accepted by to community its a bit too strong.

Nah. More than likely , Nexon will release something more overpowered than Final Hit to ''balance'' out it's raw power.

Quote from Nui;1272897:
Mabi is far from balanced and unless it gets a huge overhaul it probably never will be.

And because of this, Mabinogi won't ever have respected professional tournaments for PvP. This game has such a great foundation for that.

Huge overhaul please, and make it good :fail3:
Darkboy132 wrote on 2015-05-15 18:35

Whelp, magic is doomed. Too much sanic, when it's supposed to be a "slow but powerful" type of skillset.

I still don't want bullshit Mana Recovery to be in this game. There could have been other ways around it, this game doesn't need any more "EZ one-click I Win" buttons.
Snowie Stormflower wrote on 2015-05-15 18:50

Quote from Darkboy132;1275033:
I still don't want bullshit Mana Recovery to be in this game. There could have been other ways around it, this game doesn't need any more "EZ one-click I Win" buttons.

You pick the most silly things to hate on.
Pretty sure I could use more mana in 3 minutes than MP recovery could ever grant me, I'm still gonna need MP Potions, even if it'll be less.
Oberynn wrote on 2015-05-15 18:55

I honestly don't get all the gloom and doom for a skill that forces you to have a magic weapon equipped to get stuck waiting 2 seconds to do the same thing that "J" would have done.

It's just how I don't get the gloom and doom about crisis escape, everyone forgets it exists 99.9% of the time and somehow it's still supposed to be "overpowered pls nerf" although to be fair that does do more than just replicate the "J" hotkey.
ironwoman wrote on 2015-05-15 18:57

At this point, considering how easily players can steam roll things, I really don't care what's in the content.
Osayidan wrote on 2015-05-15 19:22

Quote from Darkboy132;1275033:
Whelp, magic is doomed. Too much sanic, when it's supposed to be a "slow but powerful" type of skillset.

I still don't want bullshit Mana Recovery to be in this game. There could have been other ways around it, this game doesn't need any more "EZ one-click I Win" buttons.

If other skill sets get to have overpowered junk then so do mages.

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